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Hey. I'm new here. I am pretty much an agnostic. I try not to be absolutely sure about anything even though I have beliefs. Ok. I have some real beliefs. I have a deep appreciation for nature and human good. I'm just trying to learn more about my beliefs and life outlooks.

HydroDillema 3 Apr 27
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Do what works for you. You will be your own best guide when it comes to doing that.

I bowl the following two questions at you, and I invite to ignore them or respond to them at a time and in a manner that pleases you:

  1. How useful to you are the models of the natural world that are given to you by religion?

  2. How useful to you are the models of the natural world that are given to you by the Scientific Method? (Hint: we would not have the Internet if the Scientific Method did not exist.)

@HydroDillema To answer your question, yes thank you it does clarify your position.

You have raised a topic that I do not see very often here. To put it in a materialistic fashion, it is the recognition of the fact that people have their own psychological and emotional needs, which needs are themselves complex, and that different people have different needs. Have I properly understood what you are thinking in this regard?

@HydroDillema I am of a similar mind, though I am unsure about the need for god being hardwired. Or maybe the wiring failed in all those who are confirmed atheists. From what little I understand, being brought up in a strongly religious house affects the way the brain develops from birth to adulthood.

One of my dearest friends is a believer, though she is slowly losing her belief: she compares what she now sees in the world with what she was taught as a child, and the mismatch is making her feel increasingly uncomfortable with what she was taught.

I have no issue with people in general having religious beliefs. Where I do have an issue is where they try to force their own beliefs onto other people for whatever reason; for me, that just smacks of arrogance.

I agree with your observations about deficits. My habit of "spot the logical fallacies in their arguments for god" perhaps points to a lack of empathy on my part.

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I think that's the reason many of us are here. Welcome! I look forward to your posts and comments.

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Welcome! This is a good place to think things through and undoubtedly gain insight! Time will help with that, too.
Richard Dawkins wrote several books which can help organize your thoughts. "The God Delusion" and "God is NOT Great" are two of my favorites.

If you enjoy ''nature''...I'd suggest books about chimpanzees and bonobos (our nearest relatives). You'll learn that tribalism is our ''blessing'' and our ''curse'', which makes a belief in ''human good'' difficult. We are what we are.
Franz De Waal is a well-respected author in primate circles and his books are written for the ''lay'' person.

Good luck! Have fun here! These are nice people....

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If you aren't going to worship a god you've basically decided it doesn't exist and will live your life in accordance to that. So consciously "deciding" that it may or may not exist is as relevant as the religious debate about bread being leavened or not for communion.

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