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Why escalation by police is the wrong move, and not just morally - [fivethirtyeight.com]

Allamanda 8 June 2
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I didn't get a chance to read this all but thinking of the right to assembly. "The First Amendment does not provide the right to conduct an assembly at which there is a clear and present danger of riot, disorder, or interference with traffic on public streets, or other immediate threat to public safety or order.[13] Statutes that prohibit people from assembling and using force or violence to accomplish unlawful purposes are permissible under the First Amendment.[14] " How does this work with what we have been seeing? Should government be limiting right to assemble under the current circumstances more?

@Allamanda Well RIGHT. "the escalators are the police themselves in most cases, and planned right-wing interference they hope will be blamed on black people." So why not stop it before it starts? We saw various states of different political parties allow it. Why? The entire universe does not center around this case. The entire universe should be centered around our 328.2M citizens and non-residents (I mean from our perspective, as it relates to what we are prioritizing when we make crucial decisions like allowing assembly)

I have a personal theory about the Floyd/Chauvin case. Well not theory, just questions. "Wondering how it could even be possible for Floyd and Chauvin to not have known each other if they ..."

What even IS the policy with violent protests? Varies from state to state?

What is YouTube's policy on advocating violence? Is there a policy? (Sorry side question here)

@Allamanda Thanks for sharing. I do not have a problem with ANY peaceful protesters, but WHAT is the protest about now? The MN attorney general is investigating the case, he is black ( well I don't know for sure, guessing, pretty sure he is). I think the family feels good about him being there. I feel it sounds too strong when I saw "The entire universe does not center around this case. " It is not meant to dismiss the Floyd family's loss. Anyone who has a basic concept of fairness knows you don't hold someone down on the ground like that m, and not especially when the person can't breathe. This NEEDS prosecution. ABSOLUTELY! But let the AG do his job. It's just a vague idea now we are protesting. Or does the crowd know better how to handle the case? If it doesn't create violence it is okay, the protesting. But what about stand offs? I think people would better serve others who are vulnerable by actually volunteering to help a cause long-term that ends violence and poverty.

@Allamanda I have seen grown adult men on camera sobbing because of the damage they have witnessed from the looters, and the after effects of all this.

@Allamanda Not the world you live in. Your in the islands, right? We all exist in our own worlds to some extent anyway.These men were crying out of sheer desperation and sadness. Probably lost everything he saved up for over a lifetime. And saw others who had went through the same. I think allowing these protests in the midst of a pandemic was a very bad idea. Our collective national psychology was already bad due to it and now we just received another blow.

@Allamanda Well tell that to the two men who I just heard about killed in IL during this looting. Oh no, wait we are focusing on justice, right? Wait, WHOSE justice? Those two dead men are minorities, don't know which minority, why would that matter anyway? Only they won't get the attention or the big rallies. They are just dead. And their deadness doesn't fit anyone's agenda at the moment.

"Fascism" is that the new word we use to describe a lawful society? The Government needs to drastically limit ANY protest because of how it is devolving into sheer lawlessness. I just watched video of ANOTHER "peaceful" protest today become an elderly man being punched in the face by a young man. Government DO SOMETHING. At the end of the segment the anchor says more peaceful protests tomorrow, ha-ha. (That's sarcasm, absolutely nothing funny about violence) But maybe his justice (the elderly man) is somehow irrelevant or less important here? Oh and the handful of officers injured by the incendiary device. Their justice? So yeah, it is not very equal like you said, no, not at all, but keep protesting it?? This is not logical!

@Leontion "you seem to be a pretty committed racist" Please explain in a clear, informed way how you jumped to THAT conclusion, completely mischaracterized me, and attached an extremely incendiary label on myself based on an idea I expressed. I am just going to notate it's been a stressful time, you are looking for someone to blame, and here I am. I understand. I think everyone is worked up over covid too, which is why I completely disagree with having protests right now. Not smaller well organized ones held during the day that remain peaceful, but even there, is it the right thing to even be doing from a disease management perspective? The mission has been achieved in the Floyd case with the charges. And maybe more charges based on the toxicology? I think people want to feel connected and affirmed and heard and safe, but this timing due to pandemic requires special care. It could be some of the looting is coming from a place of fear based on economic hardship. It's like this stressed out state is not good, it pushing people to criminal acts and how does that serve society or themselves? A leader who is doing a good job will look at the nation and ask, what is best for people? How do we keep people out of harm? I saw a really good YouTube video yesterday that I watched and wanted to repost, this woman gives the looters a verbal lashing because she is absolutely FED UP. She lives in the neighborhood and the very objects they have destroyed were needed by the residents, including a homeless man who relied on the outdoor charger. People who are barely making it now have had things destroyed that they relied on. That's not good.

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Totally agree. It seems a 'force' of cops can and do get into their own mob mentality and that often involves violence. It seems this is a problem in the larger cities as the smaller ones often the police just stand by and watch. I also suspect all the heavy equipment and protective clothing encourages violence toward those that are not protected. Noted the wearing of masks when using gas but the pictures of direct confrontation showed no cops wearing masks.

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