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I see emotion as a obstacle to rationality. Since emotions are by and large out of our control, they can prevent or interrupt a rational train of thought. I see this all the time everywhere, especially on social media: people that argue emotionally generally make very irrational arguments in the process.

What role, if any, do you see for emotions in a rational discourse?

TheMiddleWay 8 June 19
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What role, if any?

Motivation. If I feel strongly, I will defend/advocate strongly. If I'm motivated, I will research the topic at hand so I can present my arguments rationally.

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your point about emotions being an interference of rationality i accept. but I do not believe they can be eradicated from it if comes from people. Watson perhaps. besides that would take all the fun out of it.

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Emotions, just to name a few (Amazed Foolish Overwhelmed
Angry Frustrated Peaceful
Annoyed Furious Proud
Anxious Grieving Relieved
Ashamed Happy Resentful, [therapistaid.com] )

These emotions are mostly either considered good or bad(evil). They are relative or subjective as to the person experiencing or displaying them.

I make this speculation: For those people that display higher levels of emotion during discourse, this high level of emotion display requires more energy and perhaps brain activity which then would possibly effect thinking about the topic. The ideal, thoughts of words the person is trying to process out into speach while in a highly emotional state might be like having a lot of apps. running at once on a slow computer.

Defination: Rational - based on or in accordance with reason or logic.

Logic is about good and evil. Something logical is said to be of "good" reasoning. And, illogical, something with fallacy, the opposite of good which would to be an evil.

You say, "Since emotions are by and large out of our control, ..." I would not say that is exactly correct. What is not "controlled " is the variable degrees of emotions that each specific person might display during rational discourse. One person may show more happy or anger about a topic that another person might display.

Rational is very much strongly connect with emotions which the display of the amount of emotion from one person to the next can vary.

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We cannot be emotionless but we are capable of rational debate...

@TheMiddleWay

"What I'm proposing here is the being emotional is a determined to rational debate."

Huh.

@TheMiddleWay ah.. Now i understand ...

My response . :

Did you ever watch that star trek episode with VGer... The space probe that was adrift in space for hundreds of years, collecting data and learning? It had no emotion but was 100% rational... Yet, in the end, it needed to merge with a human to be complete...

@TheMiddleWay i understand your point... But how much rationality do you expect during a discussion on social media? People are here, mainly, to socialize and many aren't accustomed to having proper debates...

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Strong emotions can kill discourse or any thinking endeavor. Emotions are often rooted in thoughts. The destructive kind of emotions well up because of untrue negative thoughts.

Yet emotions exist for a purpose. I see it like salt. You can’t live without a little salt, but a lot of salt will kill you.

Beyond thought we have pure awareness. Communion with whatever it is that is the basis of reality might give us insight and keep us on course. The only emotions involved are serenity, hope, love, appreciation, ecstasy, etc.

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that's what calculators are for.

@TheMiddleWay I'm not much on proofs and theorems. I'm more into ice cream and pancakes. it's clear that many are not as Adept as you are at clearing out some of the clouds that get put into the problems or the debates, but I think you're going to have to get used to it if you want to participate in such Endeavors with other people. but I would reckon you've already accepted that.

@TheMiddleWay something else has occurred to me that you might be interested in or maybe not, but it is worth a mention I believe. the denial of the emotional factored in a discourse guarantees a distraction from the point in question. its possible to spend more time explaining/defining the problem than addressing the issue. taking emotion into account as part of the rationale could be a more expedient method, to truly discuss something on the whole. I don't have any proof or theorem, just a thought.

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Rationality, while useful, is not enough.

MarkWD Level 7 June 19, 2020

@TheMiddleWay I don't really know but I suspect emotions connect more to the reptilian part of the brain so mostly to do with fight/flight/mate concerns. Feeling and intuition, on the other hand, I think are much more useful for making a good life. A life that revolves around rationality alone must borrow premises somewhere.

@Allamanda Yes, I don't know where to draw the line between what is feeling and what is emotion but I think there is one. Do you? I think of empathy as linking to feeling rather than emotion. But I'm no expert on this.

Edited some more to quote this blog entry: "While emotions are associated with bodily reactions that are activated through neurotransmitters and hormones released by the brain, feelings are the conscious experience of emotional reactions." [imotions.com]

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the reason to have the discourse in the first place. curiosity, the desire to know etc.? the passion to find love, to save a life, to have a sense of urgency?

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In which case the only course of action to follow is Bentham’s utilitarianism - the greatest good for the many.

That has never caused problems in the real world has it!

Great theory, crap practice.

@TheMiddleWay Intellect supplanting feeling.

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Keen observation, I concur. No place for emotions in serious conversations on what could be considered touchy subjects.

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