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THE EVOLUTION OF MORALITY:
Recently while roaming through YouTube, looking for a good theist-atheist debate, I came across a 2-hour bit between Frank Turek and Christopher Hutchins and a 1½ hour bit between a multi-member theist-atheist panel, which was held somewhere in Mexico.
In both instances, I was sad to see the atheists 'running' away from the question of morality. Theists repeatedly and proudly pointed out that morality COULD NOT exist without a MORAL CODE GIVER (aka God). This is what I call the C. S. Lewis Argument which is expounded in the very 1st Chapter of his Christian apologetic volume, MERE CHRISTIANITY. But, I refuse to run away from this argument and would like to put forth my own theory for morality, which I like to call, "The Evolution of Morality".
For humans to be moral beings there is NO NEED for the existence of a celestial law-giver. Morality is an unspoken and an unwritten, but universally understood and agreed upon set of ideas of what is right and wrong, and is something which I posit has co-evolved with the human species along with such advances as walking upright, the opposable thumb, and sentience, and such discoveries as fire, tools, and the wheel.
Now, what is this morality? It's not transient state and federal laws like the speed-limit on a stretch of highway or that you need a fishing-license to fish in a particular lake or river. It covers more primal things like, feeding a starving member of our society, helping an elderly person to cross the street, protecting our children against physical and/or sexual abuse, lending a saving-hand to a drowning man or animal, being kind and accommodating to a pregnant lady, allowing an elderly person to take the only available seat on a bus, etc. See, we don't need a God to tell us these things are the right things to do. When presented with such situations, we just 'know' what to do...we just "feel it in our bones", so to speak. Why? Because over thousands of years of evolution, it has been hard-wired into our genetic code, just as salmon get restless and start swimming upstream to spawn or Artic Terns fly from pole to pole with the shifting of seasons.
Evolution helped us to codify these patterns of behavior as we slowly separated ourselves from our primate ancestors and gave up our hunter-gatherer ways for the ways of settled society and agriculture. Note our language when one of us breaks these norms of common decency! It is telling of our evolutionary past because we accuse our fellow human beings of "acting like animals"!! Ironically enough, over the millennia, these unsaid codes of behavior have been codified into religious and civil laws.
Of course, you may counter by saying that this unsaid code of behavior must not be that strong because we still have cold-blooded murderers, rapists, child-abusers, etc., in our societies. But I posit that the presence of these social 'aberrations' is not a nullification of our moral evolution, but instead proof of it! Just as whales and dolphins still have remnants of their ancestral 'legs' in their skeletal systems, we too have societal remnants of earlier forms of brutish behavior. We are violent and territorial primates - that remains largely unchanged - but a new evolutionary code has been quietly superimposing itself on the species, taking us to higher levels, without the help of God. In the distant past, for example, a male in his prime would not think twice about going to a neighboring cave, killing all the males and all the children there , and claiming the females for himself. It was not a crime. It was just survival and procreation! But, as we evolved, we have codified that kind of behavior out of our societies...sometimes unbeknownst even to us, at the genetic level...because suddenly it is no longer conducive to the advancement of our species!
Nowadays we attempt to consciously cull the herd of brutish or erratic behavior through rehabilitation, incarceration, or in extreme cases, through the termination of a life. While societal engineers may argue back and forth about the effectiveness of these methods, we are all still being carried forward by evolution towards a more altruistic and 'moral' society - not because it pleases a deity in the sky, but because life always choses the best path for its survival; and, this is the best path for our survival and progression, as a species.

Green_Soldier71 7 Aug 25
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Is god moral because humans made god in their own image, or are humans moral because god made humans in its own image ? Its basically a chicken and egg argument.

But since the existence of morality in none human animals is clearly demonstrable, it is plain that god is not needed for morality, unless god made all the animals in its image, and evolution is false. (Lets not go there for now.) I think therefore, that morality is an emergent property and you only require three things to reach that emergent state.

Firstly, the hard wired aspects to morality we inherit from our evolution.

Secondly we can then apply reason to those. The hard wiring from nature says, protect the family, reason says you can do that by making friends with all the other tribes, or by making war and killing them all. The first conclusion means you trade and give gifts, the second engenders the warrior ethic, you must be prepared to die fighting for land and family. Both are moralities, and both have worked to a degree.

But then you add the third element, of cultural and historic experience. We see by observation, that those who took the second path often prospered for a while, but killing everybody else is impossible, it generally brings down retribution, and if you do succeed your family then splits and starts fighting each other. So we observe that it rarely really works well in practice, so that it is perhaps better to go the first way, and we apply a little more reason, producing over time a more peaceful morality.

Given that those three elements work for every moral issue, god just becomes needless. But that does depend upon people being able to accept firstly evolution, and secondly, the idea of emergence. And given that I doubt one school in a thousand even teaches Emergence theory, and perhaps more than half of them world wide don't teach evolution properly, you are going to have one hell of a job explaining it to most theists.

@Green_Soldier71 Thank you.

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The only thing immoral about Atheists are hatred of religious establishment. Most of the carnage, devastation and massacres in history were committed in the name of God. That along with child molestation by religious clerics and other atrocities. Abandoning religion is embracing moral ethics because it's the right thing to do, as opposed to for fear of retribution from a malevolent deity.

@Green_Soldier71 I went for the Cliff's Notes version if you know what they are.

@Green_Soldier71 I sometimes skip the long ones myself, especially if they look like they're pasted or the language seems incoherent.

@Green_Soldier71 I know you didn't. I was speaking of the long posts I'm prone to skip. I can tell right away when someone is posting a "form letter" Your post is inspiring. I'm sorry if I didn't express myself accurately. I didn't mean to insinuate that you pasted the post, I hope I didn't do that friend.

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