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Please check out my comment below. It will explain why this post will be deleted.
I very much appreciate your comments, but the quickly/easily part of my original post wasn't seen or understood, I think. Mea Culpia (sic?)

Improving on nature
It just seems to me, that whenever humans feel they can (quickly/easily) improve on nature, they prove exactly the reverse.
Do you have examples which concern you?
There are some exceptions, I suppose, but the natural systems evolved over countless ages.
I feel a great deal of trepidation regarding the multitude of changes our technology is (irreversibly) introducing.
Do you have examples which concern you?

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Oh for pity's sake!
I suppose I must shoulder the blame for the vitriol I loosed here... Yeeesh!
I was not precise enough in my post, about my concerns.
You guys have tremendously good points, but my original concerns (fracking, over logging, weed killers which only permit GMO seeds to grow, corn growing with a pesticide in it's DNA, so one cannot wash it off, -BTW, that substance has been found in human breast milk,- )
These concerns have disappeared midst the muddy water this post has become.
Therefore I'll delete this post in a day or so, leaving this, my explanation, up so anyone interested can see why it's going, til then.
Thanks everyone, for your participation.

@NotConvinced
Thank you so much for your input. I'll leave it for a while, then. See what else is said, now that I've better explained my original point.
I just despise arguments.
And I'll reiterate, my first comments were not clear enough.

@NotConvinced
Btw, unlike some others, I was able to understand your basic meaning, without jumping to conclusions/assuming. Ty

Why delete the thread at all? It is generating discussion even if not the discussion you imagined.

@Roadster
You have a point.
Lol, I was irritated, at myself as well as the discussion...
Sigh, I'll leave it be, and correct my comments, but not tonight.

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Rather than respond to comments individually, I'll post a few thoughts here.
First, I intend to address the vaccine comment.
If one considers only smallpox, even, indeed countless death and suffering has been avoided, certainly vaccines have been a boon.
If there are legitimate qualms regarding them, I think the worries deal with added preservatives, eg. mercury, and whether profit is of more concern to the pharm companies than the safety and/or health of the public. Con't after a while.

Mercury in vaccines was never a thing. At least, not in the way people seem to think. Eyhyl mercury and methyl mercury are very different things.

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None come to mind.

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Do you have sources to back up this notion?

Please check out my addition to original post and most recent comment. I wasn't precise enough, in original question.

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In my opinion the reason it fails is because humans ARE part of nature. If they try to improve on nature they are forgetting an essential truth. Thus any attemps at "improvement" are doomed to failure. On the other hand, working with nature and understanding our relationship to it allows us to make great progress. This is also possible.

The main problem today, in my opinion, is that there are just too many damn humans on the planet right now. Unless and until we figure out how to manage this, we will face countless challenges from our situation of origin.

I agree with your comments. However,
Please check out my addition to original post and most recent comment. I wasn't precise enough, in original question.

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We modify and change nature by our very presence. There were mammoths until the 1st humans appeared and European lions until Romans. North America was a truly unique rain forest until European's landed. The change was so dramatic that even when the 1st settlers started moving west, they were 100 years too late to see the change.

There are now 7 billion of us on the planet. We have instigated global warming and fished the oceans to the point that the food chain is expected to totally collapse by 2048. The industrial revolution is behind us. The damage is done. Trying to save nature thru some sort of conservancy now is hundreds or possibly a thousand years too late. We should still try but if we try without taking advantage of the one thing we do well we are fully doomed before we start. Technology is really the one thing we do well and it is our only chance at survival..

As far as "nature" is concerned, we may save it thru modification and survive or we may fail and it will evolve and go right on without us, just as it did before us.

@Roadster
I agree with so much of what you've stated, yet wanted to explain why I'll be deleting this thread.
Please check out my addition to original post and most recent comment. I wasn't precise enough, in original question.

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Caution must be our by-word when doing this. The question must not be "Can we do this?" but "Should we do this?"

@tioteo
I so agree Tioteo. Yet profit driven motives rarely seem to consider "should we ,
so I wanted to explain why I'll be deleting this thread.
Please check out my addition to original post and most recent comment. I wasn't precise enough, in original question.

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The elimination of wolves from the American landscape.

have you seen the documentary of how the ecosystem improved after the reintroduction of wolves I think in Yellowstone?

@btroje yes. It was amazing.

@Gatovicolo
I also saw that documentary, and was greatly impressed by the intricate interlacing of the natural world.
So I wanted to explain why I'll be deleting this thread.
Please check out my addition to original post and most recent comment. I wasn't precise enough, in original question.

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