Funny, but have come to expect no less from some of our members.

How would things have played out without the vaccine? Here's the damn thing, before we had a vaccine it was PROVEN to be air born and the more people in an enclosed place the more people became infected. So maybe the smart thing to do was limit large crowds being indoors.
But NNNNNNNnOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's my right to go where ever I want when ever I want even if I am spreading infection, cause sean hannity told me it's not real.
It was demonstrated/proven that a well fitting face covering kept the virus particles well contained to the person infected. But NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's my right to be sick and get as many other ill as possible, cause I was told it's not real.
Arguing that healthy people had nothing to fear was just fucking demented given MOST of the population is not particularly healthy. We saw in many places people on their own staying home. Business struggled because people don't want to go out, people are too sick to work. Many small towns just shut down because there was no one to go to work, everyone was sick.
Multiply that around the world and regardless of whether government shut ya down we'd eventually see shutdowns due to lack of non sick workers and non ill people not willing to go out and possibly get sick.
People were bound to suffer to one degree or another and what I find absolutely disgusting is what society has put health care workers through and the violence I've seen from the anti mask, anti vax crowd. Calling people like me sheep because from the VERY start I wore a mask and nitrile gloves when I went shopping. (I wear the gloves because whatever the fuck is in those hand sanitizers makes me feel like shit). I think my years working in the printing industry has made me overly sensitive to many cleaning and other chemicals and their odors.
The real debate is do we order the use of the vaccine or just let the virus wash over humanity and deaths/injury be damned.

Vaccine safety doesn't have anything to do with whether cases are rising. The surge is due to new strains and, yes, people who refuse to get vaccinated. 80 to 90 percent of deaths are unvaccinated people. This suggests that it's much safer to get vaccinated than not.

Heard of anyone dying from the vaccine? Is it close to 800,000?

Nothing is 100% safe or effective. It is not an either or situation. Delta and Omicron are mutations that slip through - bound to happen sometimes. That said, I prefer and feel safer with a vaccine. Most deaths are the unvaxxed. BTW, I highly doubt ALL the hockey players, especially those not in the NHL are vaccinated. Time to see this pandemic for what it is: WORLDWIDE. Too many in the "1st world" think fixing themselves saves themselves - it doesn't, especially when not enough here even care about others. Parts of Africa are less than 10% vaxxed, thus, lots of more variants to come; hopefully they will lessen in severity. People are "tired" of Covid; it isn't going away, no god nor government can snap it gone. Settle in for the long haul.

At the least they are safer than not having them.....

Who gives a puck?