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All you socialists are the real racists

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Beachslim7 6 Jan 14
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So, this piece proves that Karl Marx was a racist, almost 200 years ago. As was most of Europe and America. Even Lincoln was a racist by today's standards, although he was a progressive in 1860s terms. It has no bearing whatsoever on anyone today who is a socialist, a democratic socialist, or even a capitalist.

On the other hand, many who are "anti-socialists" also, for some reason, seem to be against the movement to finally get rid of the symbols of the Confederacy. Now, I am not aware of any "liberal cities" in America with statues of Karl Marx in the town square. But I know of many "red states" with statues of Confederates- you know, actual traitors and slaveowners- prominently displayed. Some even had the Confederate flag in their state flag until recently. Those symbols stand for nothing but failed rebellion and racism, a yearning for the good old days when white men ran things. They deserve to come down. (Unless you support racism, I guess, which I personally don't.)

Your effort to cast aspersions on "socialists" (who are mostly liberals, but not socialists) smacks of playground-level defensiveness: a child crying "Nuh-uh, you are!!!"

One more note- Marx was the father of communism, not socialism. Socialism in one form or another goes back even to ancient Greece, where, along with respect for private property, "it was understood that the needs of the city or polis always came before those of the individual property owner and his family." Modern socialism has its roots in the Enlightenment of the 1600s-1800s. Even Adam Smith generally considered the founder of free-market capitalist philosophy, endorsed reforms to benefit all instead of a privileged elite.

Don't mess with historians. We know more than you.

@Beachslim7 Pardon the hell out of me? I think poor people may need government assistance to stop being poor. Like educational funding, food, medical and housing assistance, training for better jobs.

It is a statistical fact that a higher proportion of Black families are poor. This is because of systemic and structural racism going back centuries. They are also subject to racism in the justice system; it's far more likely for a Black person to be given prison time, rather than probation, for the same crimes committed by a white person, and they serve out a longer proportion of their sentence. All that also needs to be fixed.

I think people who ignore these issues are inferior citizens, and that sounds like it includes you.

If you want to see some racists, look at the men who murdered Ahmad Arbery. They assumed that a Black man jogging in broad daylight was a criminal and that they had a right to chase him down, surround him and pull a shotgun on him. Then, just to reinforce my point about racism in the justice system, it took months for this to even be investigated by the police.

It's just a crazy guess, but I don't think those guys were socialists, either; just based on what I've seen from white guys from Georgia.

@Beachslim7 Either you're a troll, or you really have a reading and logic problem. You have predetermined your opinion and you are inserting things I never said. You draw conclusions based on your opinion, not mine.

@Beachslim7 Holy shit, are you still flogging this dead horse? Please stop putting your words in my mouth.

@Beachslim7 Once again, these are your words, not mine. My words were:

I think poor people may need government assistance to stop being poor.

I did point out that due to both historical and ongoing systemic racism, statistically more Black families are poor. The per capita poverty rate in the last Census was 25.8% for Blacks, compared with 11.6% for Whites. (https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2013/acs/acsbr11-17.html) You can't argue this, it's numbers.

However, because there are more white people, there are more white families in poverty than Black. Blacks are overrepresented in this statistic compared to their numbers.

Nowhere in there did I state or imply that anyone anywhere is incapable of living without the government. Millions of poor people manage.

Your repeatedly bringing up the supposed conclusion that Blacks are somehow inferior suggests that it's your opinion, since there is no basis in anything I wrote to suggest that. Your obsession with race suggests that you are the racist in this conversation.

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The stupid is strong here obiwan......

@beachslim7 seek mental help ..... You need it

@beachslim7 you really are one stupid motherfucker........

@beachslim7 bless your little heart... You've proven my point again

@beachslim7 do you even know what a commie is??.... You're so fucking ignorant your hair hurts

@beachslim7 seriously..... Did you ever go to school?

@Beachslim7 IGNORANT AND PROUD OF IT ARE'NT YOU!!.....

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