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'The Latest Mask Research Is Bad News For Branch Covidians - Unless you’re visiting a medical facility still taken in by the mask-cult or you live in a big city or some obscure California county run by hypochondriac Democrat whack-jobs, you’re probably generally living your life without being forced to wear a useless, bacteria-laden piece of t-shirt material over your face. However, if your overlords have gone out of their way to clarify that mask mandates have only been lifted because Covid rates have gone down or even that recent iterations of the virus have become less deadly, they are purposefully missing the overall picture and slyly holding on to the pretext that will invite the insanity back at any point - that masks “work” to stop or curb the spread of highly contagious respiratory viruses.' [townhall.com]

BDair 8 July 12
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How, oh how did I know that when I saw the title of this post it would be yet more BS carefully culled from obscure and purposefully misleading rags by our resident Credulous Fool?
I must have psychic powers!

If masks were effective, we should see a significant effect between places that mandated masks and those that didn't. There is no discernable difference.

LA and Orange counties are right nextdoor to each other. Orange County dropped mask requirements for indoor dining and shopping long before L.A. County. Did everyone in OC die?

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It’s not hard to find a plausible sounding article that supports your biases. Go to a site that clearly leans in your direction, and pick any article that skillfully manipulates statistical data and “quotes” trusted sources, even giving links to the actual studies (knowing almost no one is going to click on them and actually read them).

I have my prejudices, like everyone else. But I know I do so I want to catch my prejudices in the act of deceiving me. So I read what the other side posts, and I follow the links. I’m crazy like that.

The funny thing is… those links, which make great theater (if you don’t follow them) almost invariably fail to support the bluster in the article.

The first page of the “study” cited made me wonder why I bother chasing these red herrings:

skado Level 9 July 12, 2022

There are no peer reviewed randomized controled studies that show masks proving to be effective in preventing the spread of a respiratory virus in a population. None.

@BDair
For obvious reasons. You can’t knowingly risk the lives of human beings by exposing them to a deadly virus.

But if the ethically available evidence pointed to a benefit in mask-wearing, would you happily wear one?

If you believe your mask works, you can wear one to protect yourself. Knowing full well that there was very little chance of this so called 'deadly virus' having any serious consequences for me, I will take my chances. There have always been effective protocols for prevention and treatment.

@BDair
That we each do our own thing is fair and understandable. But wherever I see people propagating what I think is dangerous misinformation, I'm likely to engage... for the purpose of either finding out that I have been wrong, or that the other person has been. There can happily be many different responses to reality, but there is only one reality. If I'm seeing it incorrectly, I'd like to find out. But I'm more swayed by evidence than by opinion.

So my question stands. If hard, irrefutable, scientific evidence from sources you trust said mask wearing was effective, would you wear one?

Obviously, if I believed that there was a pathogen that was an imminent threat to me and masks were proven to prevent exposure, I would wear one. That is not the case with CV19 though. It only adversely affected less than 1% of the population, even without vaccines or other interventions. There were proven methods for prophylaxis and treatment early on that made it nothing to worry about for a healthy individual. Counties that did not have mask mandates did not see a significant rise in death and destruction over those that had masks and lock downs. You have been taken by the Vaccine Apologist Dogma.

@BDair
Why are you happy to take advantage of the respected reputation of medical authorities in name-dropping "the CDC's own data" but then pretend you have no respect for the CDC by acting as if their experienced professional interpretation of the data is less reliable than your inexperienced amateur interpretation of it? Why not just collect your own data? Why not deny that the CDC is even competent to collect data? Is the CDC reliable or is it not? Are you a credentialed medical professional or are you not? You and I both depend for our information on sources we deem more capable than ourselves. You - the CDC when convenient, and otherwise conspiracy-slinging rightwing propaganda outlets on rando internet sites. Me - I realize no authority is perfect. They are made of humans. But I understand the psychology behind the appeal of conspiracy psychosis. I'll take my chances with the trained, experienced, medical professional individuals and institutions, who are most likely doing the best they know how under difficult circumstances, and whose data AND interpretations actually seem to add up when I examine them.

Every source you disagree with is a 'Right Wing Conspiracy' site. That is objectivity. I actually cite from credentialed sources and experts that are able to scour the medical and scientific literature and distill it down and offer an interpretation that I can understand. I have many sources of information. They are not all in total agreement on every aspect, so certainly I follow my personal bias at times, as everyone does.

@BDair
Maybe elsewhere you do. In this post you reference TownHall or some such. It is a 'Right Wing Conspiracy' site. Where you reference other sources, you take what you find supportive of your narrative and deny the legitimacy otherwise. Be well, friend.

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Findings: Replicating the CDC study shows similar results; however, incorporating a larger sample and longer period showed no significant relationship between mask mandates and case rates. These results persisted when using regression methods to control for differences across districts. [papers.ssrn.com]

BDair Level 8 July 12, 2022
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