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“Youthful ldealism peaks at age twelve and by age twenty gradually declines to a lifelong adult level,” said a college instructor of future teachers.

My less-than-mature idealism — marked by my saying “People should ….” — survived into my fifties. I’ve often wondered what accounts for the longer-lasting idealism of many adults. Any thoughts?

yvilletom 8 Feb 29
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Nobody's the same and some come to fruition later in life. It's funny, but my therapist (life coach) and I had a discussion about just that topic. For me it's being constantly hit with life changing events. Every time a hit comes along I learn something new (and painful) and evolve a little more. I was told I'm a deep thinker. Every time I fall into another abyss, I think a little deeper.

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With age and understanding comes humility. There is the well know Dunning-Kruger effect, which says that those with the greatest ignorance of a subject, are the most likely to overestimate their own understanding and abilities. As we grow older we naturally learn more and gain in experience, it therefore follows that the younger person is more likely to be ignorant, especially about things that are not taught in school, and so, are all the more likely to overestimate their understanding.

I think, though not with certainty, that there comes a tipping point for most people in mid-life, at least those who are honest and intelligent, when you finally understand that you will never understand the world well enough to explain to yourself all its mysteries, or solve all its problems, even in theory. And with that comes, what I at least, would call, mature pragmatism. The belief that you can only solve the problems before your feet at most. From which it follows that in fact, pragmatism, because it at least recognizes your limitations, and maybe the limitations of all human understanding, is actually a higher form of understanding itself, than idealism.

Better to give my neighbor a sticking plaster for his cut, than to rage impotently against all the pains and accidents of human and animal life. Better as Voltaire put it, to tend our cabbages, than cause untold chaos in the world, because of the law of unintended consequences, while chasing treasures. And perhaps most of all, as Epicurus put it, better to know, understand and appreciate the value of a pot of cheese, than lose yourself in dreams of gods and heroes.

But you see, I still therefore idealize at least one thing, in a very zealous and immature way perhaps, and that is pragmatism. And if you think it ironic to idealize pragmatism, then you are right. For I love with seriousness being seen as a joke, it makes me one with the universe.

I think one problem in today's increasingly complex world is that a lot of people become specialists in a given field. Problem is they fail to see the bigger picture. A sad example is SCROTUS who are so wrapped up in legalese they fail to see the effect it will have on society.

@jackjr Yes of course, and of course it should really be the job of the education system, to see to it that everyone has a good understanding of all the basics of life. So that they know how to be good citizens, able to vote well, understand politics, law, the environment and the wider world, and avoid the temptations of crime and hedonistic self destruction, so that at the very least they will not become a burden to society.

But there is no commitment to that, because of course there are a lot of forces who want people only trained as specialists, so that they will make good slaves, but not taught to understand enough to ask difficult questions.

@Fernapple Still, increasing many important fields are being specialized. I worked for a major public accounting firm and once asked a manager to help with my taxes. She told me her expertise were exotax (non-profits) and even had someone else do her personal income tax. My late partners son was a pulmonologist. When she asked him about some malady he said he didn't know as his field focused on the lungs. That's the way life is headed. I am unique in that I consider myself a generalist (Jack of all trades, master of none). I can see bigger pictures whereas it is often lost on others.

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Some of us are slow learners.

And we don't intend to rush.

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