I just had a question run through my mind about sports (football in particular). Isn't being a fan of a team a lot like a religion? There is a demand for loyalty. A threat of violence from opposing team fans. Rituals performed, scheduled gatherings...
Having worked on the MN/WI border I can tell you that the violence between factions is very real and barbaric. Vikings fans in the back, Packer fans in the front and me in between them?? during touchdowns??? Those same people worked together but would not even give each other eye contact because of a football team? That is messed up and operates (in my opinion) in much the same ways as churches do.
I mean if it were done in fun it would be one thing but the rage over a loss? WTF is that about? I do not comprehend worshiping anything and that to me is what that is.
It is truly no fun being the one holding the line of peace or cleaning up after the "fans" leave. We were located on the MN side of the border so when a game ended the Packers fans would either leave pissed or cocky and the Vikings fans would stay and be pissed or cocky and then I would go home to WI and hear all about it again.
Never will I ever again live on the border of any state because humans seem to need to worship something whether it is a flag, a God, a team, a family member, a spouse and borders seem to be breeding grounds for superiority complexes of all kinds.
I totally understand what you mean. I took a group to the Twins game last week, had free tickets. I don't care who wins and I get evil eyed when any team makes a good play because I cheer and clap. I like good baseball, I have no allegiance to any team. I'm not a good tribal member, I'd rather not pledge allegiance to a flag, I don't think America is the Best country in the world. I don't drink the Best coffee or work at the Best school, or live in the Best neighborhood. I do feel like an outsider a lot because of my lack of need to fit in and be concerned about being the best at anything. If I like it I'll do it even if I suck at it. No team or tribe would have me, touche!
Oh I do so love your response. I love that you clap no matter who makes a good play, that is so awesome.
I live in the Bible Belt. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like here especially the masses are being influenced (dare I say, almost controlled) via highly emotional things such as religion, sports (especially football), school rivalries, patriotism/nationalism/immigration, military/guns/authority, etc. Groupthink scares me sometimes...
Yes, the whole structure is rather narcissistic if you ask me. Pledge allegiance to a FLAG? Glorify war and competition? "Look out for #1" Everyone has to be the best or become invisible at best? I completely agree with you. There should be emphasis on cooperation and doing our individual best. It is rather frightening for sure when you think about much of our lives are being spoon fed to us and controlled by outside forces.
It’s not like religion at all. It’s tribalism. We are a herd animal, tribes if you like, but unlike other animals we each belong to many tribes. Our work tribe, our family tribe, our friends’ tribe, our football team’s tribes, etc. You could go on and on.
Within each tribe, we have our own personal loyalties and conflicts, but there is an underlying loyalty to the tribe itself. When one of our tribes is in conflict with another (say, a football game), the more ‘excitable’ members of each tribe of supporters can come to blows, or at least mutual abuse.
The complicating factor in all of this is that often there is overlap between one tribe and another, in terms of the people we individually know and love. Our immediate family tribe could have members who belong to different football tribes. At times like this, we normally subdue our loyalty to one tribe in favour of the other, depending on which tribe we’re in at the time.
Nothing’s simple, is it? ?
Yes. I agree with that. Most of us like to have a pack we belong to, whether it is a church, political party, football team, or knitting circle. We all have our role in the pack. Plenty of psychology books written about this!
To a degree. Those of us with any sense realize it's just a sport, and particularly in professional sports, the players come from all over the country and are not by any means "home grown" or local. The rest who go over the top with the rivalries are Trump voters; you will always have that type around.
Sports fandom is an outlet for any kind of tribalism/us vs them impulse.
No. Outside of a common need that people have to classify themselves to find their place in the social order. Which groups are "my people" and which groups are "those" people? That happens with literally any term you would use to identify a person as you mentioned a few. What you described is common among all groups not specific to religion and sports fandom.
See it is the need to classify ourselves, to be loyal to a group/tribe ourselves according to some ritual that makes me think of religion. Why not promote individuality and cooperation so we can all safely walk into the territory of another tribe? I still do not see much of a difference. The outcome is people aligning with a group, thinking their group is superior and trying to crush the other groups which is exactly what I hate about religion.
@LetzGetReal I love what you wrote. I don't like too many team sports or our competitive culture nor do I root for the US members just because they are from the US. I guess I am an enigma because I simply cannot get on board with any group that is competitive in nature.