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We are not going to achieve the respect that we as Agnostics or as Atheists persons unless we show that our main purpose is not to destroy religion rather just to live a life that does not believe in a god or gods because we cannot prove that they exist. In addition, we need to show that we do not practice so called Satanism or any other cult and that we are normal people with normal ideas that differ on the idea of religion. It is required by society that we show we are good people that have normal concerns about the environment,air,water,politics and good government. I have been criticized on this site that we are not all the same. Those reading my comments keep glossing over that we are a diverse group with respect to politics,ideas and personal beliefs.They seem to center on that we are a one issue group religion. This is true but a majority also support many other common issues. This FACT isn't any different than any other group.

Marine 8 May 24
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Don't like the way you are treated? Donate to the ACLU, a well-organized group of lawyers who take on as many cases as possible having to deal with our Constituttional freedoms, now under attack as never before....put your money where your mouth is!

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Why not just make atheism a religion? Why do you need a God to have a religion? Just use a humanist doctrine.

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Why is it on us to "prove" that we're not all the things they claim we are (Satanists, arrogant, angry, rebellious, licentious, etc)? That's just gaslighting on their part. And what is more likely to be true -- that they think we're those things for good reason or because they demonize us because we represent an existential threat to their ideology (especially those of us who are deconverts)?

The malfunction that theists have with atheism isn't that we aren't nice and respectful enough. It's that we give the lie to their failed theory of knowledge (religious faith). They durst not acknowledge that we have chosen our path because it's a considered opinion, even a misguided one. Our reasons MUST be nefarious.

In my experience, at least with respect to fundamentalists, you can't be kind, respectful, gentle and walk on eggshells enough to not offend these persecution whores. They are intellectually dishonest and emotionally manipulative, and absolutely refuse to afford the respect and human dignity to us that they demand we provide them. They feel entitled to unearned deference and respect in the marketplace of ideas, and always have, and always will.

In addition, particularly in the past couple of years, they have completely lost any deference or respect I might have had for their good intentions and morality, due to their utterly craven enabling of people like Donald Trump and Roy Moore.

Go ahead, prove that you've quit beating your wife, if you want to; I'm not into it.

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And yet, fundamentalist religions demand my respect, when one of their prime functions is to try and destroy atheism and agnosticism. In centuries past, they would have physically destroyed me because I am an atheist. In some parts of the planet, I would still be put to death today, because I don't conform to their religious beliefs.
THAT is the kind of religion that I think everybody, not just atheists, should be working to destroy- the kind that isn't content simply to believe, and let others believe what they want, but instead insists that all must believe as we do- or else. The kind of religion that leads to wars, murders, and televangelists.

There should be no room in our world for the religious fundamentalists! The are seeking to destroy anyone who doesn't have their same distorted beliefs.

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Well put.

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I don't see why we shouldn't destroy religion. Think about it....wouldn't you like to free the slaves of religious fables?

Yes but I am living under a Constitution that i respect and I just wish they would do the same.,

You are following man's laws...they believe they are following God's law. @Marine

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We are legion.

Nice one, liked it, liked it.

One that does not accomplish a great deal because without the ACLU we do not exist as a community of like causes.

@VictoriaNotes I sometimes wonder if one day Athiesm will (or even could) have an inspiring dynamic leader figure...Gandi like in leadership and personality who could be a figurehead for freedom from religion. We have only minor celebratories like Dawkins and the late Hitchens etc who knows..maybe we are too fractured in our various politics and world view to raleigh under sny one banner.

@VictoriaNotes Yes that might be a problem.

@VictoriaNotes The problem is that we are still looked upon as evil.

@VictoriaNotes I do not believe the guy or girl that wrote that.They were just trying to get under my skin. How did they know to write that so long ago just to upset me?

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