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The video credited to me becoming an agnostic:

What are your thoughts? Who is right here and why? Is the existence of god really undecideable? Thank you.

Jessie 4 June 3
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They call Time too soon. The segments are too short.

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Yes, it's undecidable. Would you like necessary proof of this?

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He starts off wrong. The position by mist atheists isn't there is no god, it's more, that the proposition of one existing is unfounded. Prove one exists, then I'll prove he doesnt...

Hutch Level 7 June 3, 2018
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In the first opening sentence I see a glaring issue, he claims group one holds % certainty the universe is pointless, meaningless and there is god and group two % certainty of God, meaning and purpose.

That is a straw man and a red herring in one line, and as a result as far as I watched. If your position starts from a false and biased point it cannot reach some valid conclusion.

Well said...

@TheMiddleWay the fact that there are people who BELIEVE one way or another does not track to 100% certainty, and even if it did for a few, it does not for all.
hence he sets up a false premise (strawman) between those two extremes, and fights against that.

Also, it rather ignores what to me is the most glaring problem, that is "WHAT are you talking about?"
When a person claims "God", what does that mean? All the definitions either describe actions undertaken by an unknown or describe an unknowable.

I am Ignostic because of this.

Ignosticism is an Epistomologic position; it is a set of ideas refuting the importance of determining the existence of God. It claims that knowledge regarding the reality of God is altogether unprofitable.

It is the idea that every theological position assumes too much about the concept of God and other theological concepts; including (but not limited to) concepts of faith, spirituality, heaven, hell, afterlife, damnation, salvation, sin and the soul.

IF you cannot even define what you are talking about, or consider it beyond human understanding, how is it you can claim to know anything about it and keep your intellectual integrity intact?

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The argument is circular. If God(s) exist, they are knowable(decideable). Saying that they are undecideable is like saying that they are not real but people will continue to believe in God(s). Since you cannot prove something does not exist the argument will continue. It is implying that the argument will continue despite never finding God.

It is probably true but it flags the truth.

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Yeah the existence of Spinoza’s god is pretty undecideable, unless it’s an alien from the multiverse that thought our universe up or a programmer that designed us for a simulation. Then the only way we’ll know is if they decide to come into their creation and attempt to blow our minds by revealing it, which is incredibly unlikely in my opinion. Bit like trying to explain to your goldfish that you’ve made an artificial pond for him and nothing he sees is real.

The existence of Abrahamic gods or pretty much any known theory put forth by a religion is easily decidable. If you look for objective evidence, you’ll find none. And if you look for ulterior motives for getting people to buy their bullshit, you’ll find a metric fuck ton of them. It’s for these reasons that I’m both agnostic and atheist. I realize it’s not knowable in our lifetimes to anyone 100% but with a conspicuous lack of good evidence for any single type of god so far, my belief system is completely devoid of gods and I’m 100% sure that none of the gods I’ve heard of so far exist.

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To be short and nice the truth has been known for a very long time. The Germanic term God linguistically derives from the term.. Zeus. Jesus is pronounced hey Zeus.... the first name for the deity is El as used by the hyksos/canaanite/ hebrew peoples. Saturn worship. Well known in the historical and linguistic record. The greeks called it Astrotheologia..... i mean this is a very long topic... but you have a good start.

Etre Level 7 June 3, 2018
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