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LINK Lost Cause for the Confederacy For those who think the civil war has ended think again

The lost cause movement of the Confederacy [en.wikipedia.org] is still alive and kicking: The Lost Cause of the Confederacy, or simply the Lost Cause, is an American historical negationist ideology that holds that, despite losing the American Civil War, the cause of the Confederacy was a just and heroic one. The ideology endorses the supposed virtues of the antebellum South, viewing the war as a struggle primarily for the Southern way of life[1] or "states' rights" in the face of overwhelming "Northern aggression". ”The Lost Cause portrayed the South as more adherent to Christian values than the allegedly greedy North.” At the same time, the Lost Cause minimizes or denies outright the central role of slavery in the outbreak of the war.

One excerpt from the article ”The notion that slavery was beneficial to slaves was notably expressed by Jefferson Davis himself, in the posthumously published memoir he wrote at Beauvoir. Enslaved Africans sent to America were “enlightened by the rays of Christianity,” he wrote, and “increased from a few unprofitable savages to millions of efficient Christian laborers. Their servile instincts rendered them contented with their lot....Never was there a happier dependence of labor and capital upon each other.”

Here’s the kicker: state and federal taxpayers are paying to maintain these memorials and rhetoric.

A previous article explains the Kansas-Nebraska act and how it was the south that tried to influence other states rights.
[smithsonianmag.com]

By JackPedigo
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This is just the kind of fear-mongering, irresponsible, exaggerated article that I abhor. The thesis seems to be that southerners are chomping at the bit to reopen hostilities. It is an idiotic idea with no basis. What I suspect is an effort to arouse political support for left-wing causes through stereotyping, scapegoating and demonization—not very liberal IMO.

Does anyone really believe that southerners sit around and talk about the Civil War? A few might, but what PERCENTAGE? I live in a rural part of Alabama, and in the ten years I’ve been back here I haven’t heard a SINGLE conversation about the Civil War in this neighborhood. There’s a war memorial a couple of counties over, set up circa 1900 to honor the soldiers, many of whom were still living at the time. It’s not hurting anything to sit there and I can’t understand why anyone would think it should be removed. There’s ONE Confederate battle flag flying in this county that I know of, and that’s mainly just an ornament, something like a football banner, having no serious import. The area is literally awash in US flags.

Balance and truth would be welcomed.

WilliamFleming Level 7 Dec 4, 2018
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I am sorry this has become serious enough to be investigated and reported by the Smithsonian Institution. I value their research and reporting more than any individual.

@JackPedigo

OK, then where are the professional surveys that show such a serious looming problem? Cite those professional studies and reports please. Not some article concocted by a bigoted, hateful reporter.

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My biggest problem with all the Confederate statues and monuments and such is not that they promote slavery (which they do); the North wasn't fighting to end slavery, and desertions spiked immediately after the Emancipation Proclamation.

My problem with them is that they memorialize traitors. These men took up arms against the country; that's treason, pure and simple. I don't know of any other country in the world that puts up statues and monuments to traitors, and we shouldn't either.

Elganned Level 6 Dec 4, 2018
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The Germans tore all the Nazi symbols down and made a lot of Nazi propaganda illegal. The confederates lost pure and simple and their cause was slavery. Historians of any salt totally agree on that.

I guess if there had been some sort of insurrection and an attempt to illegally seize control of the government I’d agree with the “traitor” part.

That not the way it happened. One third of the country voted to go their own way. They thought they had that right. The Confederate soldiers were loyal to their states, to their families, and to the South. In my mind they were heroes.

I do think that the southerners were mistaken to cling to slavery, but the North did not fight to end slavery—they fought to preserve the federation. The war could have been avoided. Compare with Brexit.
No one is proposing to raise armies to keep Britain in the EU.

We have a right to honor whomever we wish. Polls show that a majority of Americans, both Black and White, favor leaving Confederate memorials in place. If those things bother you, look the other way, or better yet, analyze your thoughts and emotions.

@WilliamFleming
One man's "hero" is another man's "traitor".
Had the British won, George Washington, Ben Franklin, et al would have been hung for treason instead of being lauded as heroes and founders of the nation.

It all depends on who wins.

The North won. The South lost. It's time they dealt with it.

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@Elganned

Please explain what “deal with it” means to you. The parties came together after the war in a spirit of reconciliation and unity. It is only in modern times that left wing factions have tried to reopen the quarrel with their demands, accusations, and demonization.

It is political propaganda. Can’t we move forward with mutual respect and get along?

@WilliamFleming "It is political propaganda." Just like it's been for the last 150+ years: propaganda that the South didn't lose; propaganda that the war was about "states rights"; propaganda that the Lost Cause will Rise Again.

They need to be disabused of that notion. And if taking down Confederate monuments and flags will help, then I'm all for it.

We can't "move forward with mutual respect"; I have no respect for people who glorify a rebellion and the traitors who fought it.

Oh, and it's not "left wing factions" who reopen the quarrel, it's the closet rebels who've never let the quarrel die.

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@Elganned

Why not honor and the respect the soldiers on both sides and let it rest? After all, no one alive today had anything whatsoever to do with that war. Demonization and name-calling will accomplish nothing.

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

—Martin Luther King, Jr.

@WilliamFleming I honor the personal qualities of the Confederate soldier, whose toughness, courage, and loyalty were exemplary. I do not respect the cause for which they fought, and that serves as a major black mark against their memory.

"no one alive had anything...to do with that war." But there are those who, to this day, think that the cause was just and wish to carry it forward. Until there is repentance, there will be no forgiveness.

It's ironic that you quote King, who was murdered by one of the very people who refuse to accept the result of the war and what it meant, i.e., votes for blacks.

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@Elganned

“But there are those who, to this day, think that the cause was just and wish to carry it forward. Until there is repentance, there will be no forgiveness.”

There are very few who wish to carry it forward. See my post above.

So far as repentance, just who is it that has sinned here? Who is it that is to forgive? Great-great-grandchildren on both sides? How ridiculous! How condescending! In what way have you been wronged?

I’ve said all I know about the subject. If you want to continue fighting the Civil War you’ll have to find another enemy.

@Elganned All I can say is that I totally disagree. The Kanses-Nebraske act showed how far the south would go to preserve slavery even in new states that should have a choice but the act took that away from them. I have read extensively and I find not a shred of evidence showing the south was justified. There are those today that still honor Hitler and Stalin and all the other scofflaws of the world (including tRump). My conversation on this is over because it is only about opinion not historical facts.

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It's time we worked to put this war behind us. That the Republican party continues to perpetuate the issue is not aligned with American values. And Americans are tired of it.
I think in the past , in order to justify the insitution of slavery , they tried to convince themselves and teach their children ,that people of color, were not humans. They were more like livestock. So they acted like they were benevoloent owners of these slaves. And they brutally enforced their will over them.
It's a very disturbing histroy. But time is healing. And Americans in all states have gotten tired of the silly notions . There will always be hate and differences. But to base them on skin pigmentation is silly.
I have hope that these additudes will fade into history within a couple more generations to where Americans will no longer be so familiar with the ideas that used to be so prevelent.

Maindawg Level 6 Dec 4, 2018
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I agree but, unfortunately, in some places people are still picking at the wounds which should have healed by now.

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Seems many Americans learned nothing. Seems many Americans can not let go of needing to feel superior, needing to go to battle for the right to keep other Americans from equality, freedom and justice for all.

silverotter11 Level 8 Dec 3, 2018
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I know for a fact that it never truly ended nor was it ever meant to truly end. Those actually hold our country’s power and wealth have always pursued the means to divide us and to if need be turn us against each other.

And over the past twenty years I’ve seen a surge of rhetoric and propaganda being filtered in on both sides of the line.
Whether it’s a republican or a democrat in office the first thing we hear is they’re to take away our rights and freedoms so we better be prepared to fight.

I actually reached out to the secret service before the last inauguration because on three different sites I was DM invites to participate in an active act of violence there by both sides and one is being investigated to determine who sponsored it and the other has already resulted in several arrests.

And then we have Charlottesville where two people are on trial for their actions and one has already stated that he was motivated to come and participate by several groups online.

So with everything that I’ve seen and heard the Lynch pin will be if they go to impeach trump and mark my words there’s several thousands of men who are armed and ready to be in DC within hours.

Just saying that if more people spent time with both sides they’d hear the messages being repeated and would do more to prevent it but this is America where for every action there’s either too little or too much reaction.
And I hope that the pic will make of you laugh. Can’t be all negative

48thRonin Level 7 Dec 3, 2018
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It would be nice if both sides would listen to each other but we need to get around big corporate and the wealthy who control the media. I agree both sides are culpable, the left just tends to be less racist.
I have almost reached the point where the states that can not seem to get over losing the Civil War still want to be separate from the rest of the United States then get out. Form your own country. The states that want to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights must get their acts together and make it so for ALL Americans.
I truly do think the big money people are a huge part of the divide and conquer problem we have in this country.

I see some merit in the comment but, to me, it goes deeper than just not talking to each other. Many people have a real conflict of interest issue and seek power. The south refuses to admit their cause was wrong and they lost. A mature society learns from their mistakes but some societies refuse to get it. Israel is one such society and a lot of people in the south have such low self esteem they feel the need to push their racist beliefs on those they feel are inferior.
The legislature prior to the civil way was bending over backwards to placate the south in order to avoid violence. Unfortunately, it didn't work. Hopefully, we won't back down from threats from a bunch of armed thugs with guns. They do not present a match against the U.S forces. But I can tRump playing on this to avoid justice.

@JackPedigo Yeah about that. We weren’t told the full truth about the civil war. It seems that shortly after the slave revolts of Haiti and the Dominican Republic they spread to Jamaica as well as other little islands here and there.

And since the French and Spanish had pretty much exhausted a lot of their resources fighting their wars that they requested that we go in and get their colonies back for them.
Most southern leaders were all for it especially considering that the news of the successful uprisings might reach back here.

But the U S government not declined to do so they actually were the first to recognize these islands as free nations and began to conduct business with them considering that they could now get raw materials for a lesser price and force the hand of the southern leadership.

Which led to several southern states offering their resources ( military and ships ) to go and reclaim those islands on behalf of France and Spain.
Therefore causing the blockades at Charleston and later New Orleans.

But anyway it does go further than the civil war but like I those who’d benefit from us having a rematch have chosen to it and race as a catalyst.
Oh and one more surprise for ya just how many of our troops do you think will stay loyal?

@Alshaytan I agree and I also see that this was a complex fight. Even the British helped the south for a while, by accepting their cotton to spin into cloth. The south was their main supplier and blockades hurt their cloth industry. A lot of side issues with the American Civil War.

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I honestly believe this issue will never be "healed" and that certain states should split off from the US. If they want to 'honor' the CSA, then those states don't belong in the US. As it is, the US spent over 100+ years appeasing those fools, and it's enough already. Bye Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina and Tennessee. We won't miss you.

PalacinkyPDX Level 7 Dec 3, 2018
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Don't forget Georgia and Florida. And Texas.

@Elganned Them too.

I am getting to the point where this sounds better to me all the time.

It would be nice but I worry when they crash financially we would still have heaps of problems. Look at Brexit and all the problems it is causing. Plus, there are many in those states that want to be civilized and hate the crap that is going in in their area. The article mentioned how places like Richmond, Va are fighting back.

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The War of Northern Agression is not over.
We're simply at "half time".

bigpawbullets Level 8 Dec 3, 2018
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Ive heard the supposed christian I work with, in 2018, bragging about how well his family treated their slaves, to the extent that they ate at his great grandfathers table and didnt "want" to leave when they were set free, "choosing" instead to be sharecroppers on the same land.

These people somehow don't realize what being institutionalized is, that stockholme syndrome exists, or that without education, literacy, livestock and a nestegg, moving wasnt a workable option. Lots of people would choose the devil they know over uncertainty in a wilderness, sure. But my mothers family were only slightly mixed race sharecroppers within the last century, and I can assure you that no one voluntarily stayed to keep that job if they had a better option. Even being white, they had no heat in their house and slept with my infant mother between them so she wouldnt freeze. The livestock had a heater in the barn.

My dads family was whiter and richer. I believe my sister in her geneology research found out that they owned slaves, maybe 8-13 at a time. Most people around my area of NE Tennessee werent plantation rich though. There was 2 or 3 plantations around here that Ive ever heard of, one of which was escaped by my great great grandfather on mom's side. Most everyone else was too poor to own slaves, and made up by of a lot of scotch-irish heritage mingling with native americans, so a lot of the poorer families like moms were thought of as little better than slaves.

As a result, a large contingency of east tennesseeas voted not to secede from the union, but to instead secede from Tennessee and wanted to form a new state, the State of Franklin. They fought a battle against the rest of the state and lost, being forced to become apart of the confederacy but still worked to support the Union underground.

But for all the ignoramuses around here who have never cracked a history book, siding with their own oppressors as usual, waving the rebel flag, and clinging to confederate monuments like they're the last self validating second place participation trophies they'll ever receive, you'd never know it.

Wurlitzer Level 7 Dec 3, 2018
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There was a book published in 1998 by Pulitzer-Prize winner Tony Horowitz entitled "Confederates in the Attic", which details this very phenomenon. Recommended reading for anyone who thinks we live in a post-racial nation.

Elganned Level 6 Dec 3, 2018
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Excellent book...

This is twenty years later. And it has gotten to the point that an institution like the Smithsonian is actually investigating the issue. This is not what they usually do.

Great book. Highly recommend it.

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