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Atheists/Agnostics are a minority, Globally and in the 1st world.
The 1st world is aging and dying without replacing themselves, overall.
Atheists/Agnostics breed no more and mostly less than their religious neighbors.
Most never consider conversion to a system of thought they were not raised in.

Does anyone find it as preposterous as I do, The claim that Atheism/Agnosticism will ultimately rule the day?

Would anyone consider the idea that Atheism/Agnosticism will "win the day", A faith based belief, As I do?

CapriKious 7 Feb 19
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It's not a reproductive numbers game... If it were, ath/agn would never win. No humanist group moderator tells members to reproduce as much as possible as an obligation of any kind.

As science learns more and we find, let's say, the Q continuum or we're able to create a universe at a lab bench, it will be harder and harder to defend scriptural theism.

Religious fanatics don't care whether or not their beliefs are difficult to defend. Their beliefs are based on blind faith, meaning they see no obligation to defend any of it.

@DancesWithWorms Yes, that is certainly true. But it will be harder to convince other people to have faith in those beliefs.

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It would be ideal if people could push their gods aside, and walk towards the future as spiritual equals.

It would be nice if most any decent ideal was realized. Ideals are seldom realized and often turn out with results contrary to idealized expectations.
You might explain what you mean by spiritual. I am sure I do not follow your meaning of what spiritual equals might be.

@caprikious being human

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I disagree with your premise: atheism and/or agnosticism in on the rise in many First World countries, although perhaps not all. I find it more likely that the religious will die out, as then will the religions themselves.

There are several premises. I never said that A/Ag was not on the rise.

@CapriKious You are correct (as you know); you never said A/Ag was in decline. I did not read your original post closely enough and stand corrected.

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“Ignorance is of a peculiar nature; once dispelled, it is impossible to reestablish it. It is not originally a thing of itself, but is only the absence of knowledge; and though man may be kept ignorant, he cannot be made ignorant.” - Thomas Paine

Get everyone high speed internet and watch religion die.

Marz Level 7 Feb 19, 2018

A wonderful quote. There is are none of the line of Him to read that quote or write anything like it again. His line did not continue beyond him. Not for a lack of trying, They simply did not survive. [thomaspaine.org]
Give everyone 1st world education and amenities and watch numbers decline. Once again, with respect to the 1st world, differential conversion rates do not address the overall decline in fecundity.

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Atheists already outnumber catholics, and at this rate by 2038 religion should be kaput

I would not agree that there are more atheists than catholics, But I will grant you the point. This still does not address the demographic aspect of the issue. The second claim is plain silly. What demographic numbers would equate to "kaput"? In twenty years a good many of catholics alive now or raised in the coming years will still be here. Any further comments on this line of reasoning I see no need to address.

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Personally I don't see how atheism/agnosticism winning the day equates to a faith-based belief. It just sounds like a prediction to me. As to the likeliness of that prediction coming true, I'm not sure. It seemed science was becoming a more and more prominent part of everyday life for a while, but in recent years, trust for scientists unfortunately seems to be decreasing dramatically. And like you said, religious people tend to have more children. Do you guys think this is because religious people tend to lead a life that is line with how they have always been told life should be? For example, if they were raised believing that their religion was the only right one and that getting married and having children is "normal", is it safe to say many of them simply stick with their religion and start a family without ever questioning whether or not this is the right path for them?

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We have all doomed anyway the way we breed with greed and no real thoughts for wildlife and nature. we take what we want and not what we need and we unlike say bees are not important to the natural world at all.

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This theory wouldn't shock me.

This requires strong family members stepping out of the closet to lead people to naturalism. Christian converts to atheism would need to be a large chunk. The biggest chunk would be people who came from christian homes turning away.

MikeJ Level 5 Feb 20, 2018
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I think organised religion and probably even religion itself will eventually go the way of the dodo after several swings of the pendulum back and forth between religion and lack of religion. We're living in a particularly religious moment right now so that might seem hard to believe. I do think that most people will continue to believe that the universe is ordered by some conscious force for a very long time. Perhaps even until our species is just-about extinct, I.e., for as long as we have a statistically significant amount of humans to sample most of then will believe in something like a god or gods. This isn't a belief I have complete trust or confidence in, it's just something I think is more likely to be so than not so, therefore I wouldn't consider it to be "faith-based".

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