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How many of you support the repeal of the US 2nd amendment to the constitution?

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Trajan61 8 Apr 1
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Our Constitution was drafted the way it is for a reason, the founders knew what they were doing. Altering the Bill Of Rights would take this country down an even darker path. I will never support anyone who would even remotely consider modifying our Constitution.

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No, that's a simplistic attempt to address a complex societal problem.

It’s disturbing to me that some liberal judges including most of those appointed by Clinton and Obama don’t think the 2nd amendment gives private citizens the right to have a firearm!

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The second ammendment, like other aging laws has been lost in the madness of our modern society.I believe it unfortuantely is necessary. Mainly because I am a responsible gun owner. That being said I would gladly vote for repeal. I value my children and my neighbors children more than I value my guns. Only by law abiding citizens having to give up firearms will progress be made. Because try as we might we just do not have the ability to stop this madness on our own individually. They have to be removed compleltely. And it works. All one has to do is look at the rest of world. We are the only nation with this never ending insanity. I would much rather see the Electoral College repealed than the Second ammendment however.

Indy Level 1 Apr 2, 2018

The US along with a few other countries like the Cezch republic and Switzerland are one of the few countries where you are allowed to have a firearm for self defence. In most of the others your at the mercy of the criminals. I’ll take the US over the others any day. The second amendment could never be repealed anyway. But there is the danger that the appointment of liberal judges could undermine the second amendment. You go ahead and give your guns to the government. I plan on keeping mine come hell or high water. @Lancer

@Trajan61
The problem is a lack of responsibility on the part of the parents who failed to raise these children who commit mass murder. The parents are responsible for the proper upbringing of the child until they reach the age of 18. If a child commits mass murder then the parent has failed.

Decades of liberal values has polluted the minds of the young, psychologically altering medication is being prescribed to children whose brains have not yet fully formed.
Yes, the USA has many problems and everyone can try to solve those problems however they want to. But at the end of the day there will still be deaths, either in this century or the next. The deaths at schools and the deaths on the streets will not stop. People have had 50000 years to throw down their weapons, but they didn't. Because they knew that even if they disarmed themselves, their enemies would not. Bearing arms is a message to the criminals, it shows that they will not sit by as everything they love is taken away from them.

I can agree on some gun control (much as I would wish other people could just be responsible with guns... sadly that won't happen) such that if someone is not of sane mind, they can't get a gun. Most problematic people in society in general can easily be identified in school. I know many people I wouldn't want to let have guns in my school, the drug dealers or the "rich boy" idiots (One rich kid strangled his friend unconscious during a class and said "it was an accident" and everyone at school went "HOW THE HELL IS THAT ACCIDENTAL YOU PSYCHO" but unfortunately his dad was a multi-millionaire who inherited the family business that his father made with drug money. They're an Italian family. The kid got 3 days suspension. If I were the school I'd expel him forever.). The bullies as well shouldn't have access to guns at least until they can undergo a psychological evaluation to determine if they're mentally stable enough for it.

To be honest my country can't really talk about the gun debate. We implemented strict gun laws but we also gave several rifles to a guy who had a history of domestic abuse, child abuse, alcohol abuse and he killed 2 police officers. That's kind of hypocritical to say the least.

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I myself am a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment and also the NRA without which we would have lost our rights for firearms ownership long ago.

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I reject repeal on the basis of ineffectiveness.guns proliferate the United States to a degree far too extreme to warrant buybacks or bans. I do believe the 2nd needs some amending though. It's too broadly worded and guns need to be redefined as a privilege as opposed to a guaranteed right. Better yet, leave guns out of it and simply say we have the right to self-defense, but don't allow it to specify the tools with which we can exercise that right.

If we allow the government to determine what weapons we will have for self defence especially with people like Obama and Clinton we will be swiftly disarmed and won’t even have any guns available for self defence. Lacking the ability to disarm people by a vote of the people they intended to circumvent the 2nd amendment by appointing liberal judges that interpreted it like they want. @Lancer

@Trajan61
I agree with you Trajan. I don't want some yahoo with a full security detail telling me I can't defend myself. Or some liberal judge with police officers in the room, to decide if I can defend myself with a 9mm or a potato gun. It's not acceptable.

As a liberal who likes democratic socialism, I think you're both insane. Slippery slope fallacies are the worst arguments.

@NFAguy53 If the liberals would study a little history maybe we wouldn’t have so many problems as there’s never in history been a very successful socialist society.

Or maybe you just don't know history that well. Socialism is less a style of government than it is government. Taxes are pretty much the foundation of socialism. The difference between what you think of when I say socialism and what I mean is held in the word Democratic. It means that our taxes get used toward the betterment of society as decided though a democratic system as opposed to a an authoritarian regime or party. I am anti-communism.

What conservative group? This is an agnostic site. It has no predetermined political affiliations.

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The problem with the Second Amendment is the lack of gramatical consistancy in 1789 and the placement of a comma where many blieve ther should have been a semi-colon. It is not th citizens' right to bear arms but that f a civilian militia, today the National Guard.

The other problem is that the NRA has taken an extremist stance on the Amendment and propagandizes it through fear and intimidation.

I sold firerms for three years and own a number of hand guns. I also believe in stronger background checks, waiting periods, mandiatory training and other gun controls.

If it weren’t for the NRA we would have lost our rights to own firearms long ago, especially self defence weapons as most liberals don’t believe in the right of the people to possess firearms for self defence. @NFAguy53

It seems ludricous that the government would need an amendment for allowing them the right to bear arms so the only valid conclusion is that it should be applied to the ordinary citizen. @Duchessa

@Trajan61 You don't get it. The question here concerns a comma. No one wants to take your guns away from you, but there is no reason to have a 30 round magazine or a semi-automatic rifle for hunting.

As I said, I used to sell firearms and have sold a fair number of AR-15s in the process. I also lived three miles from Columbine in 1999 so I understand the need for universal background checks, limitations on purchases of military grade weapons and the need for a reasonable waiting period between purchasing and acquiring a firearm. I have refused to sell handguns to those who indicated that they need to have the firearm "today."

The courts have said that the Second Amendment is not absolute, that there are limitations as there are with all ten articles of the Bill of Rights. Your premise that "most liberal" don't want you to own a firearm is not based on any polling I have seen (and I have been reporting on this subject for the past 14 years for our local newspaper). It is mostly propaganda from the NRA to justify their radical position that firearms should be made available to all citizens regardless of background or mental stability.

Many liberals want common sense gun laws. Many NRA members agree with the implementation of universal background checks, stricter enforcement of NICS, FBI and ATF background acquisitions and reporting of domestic abuse and mental illness backgrounds.

What about the attempt by the liberals to circumvent the people by liberal judicial appointee’s who uphold laws by cities prohibiting people from having a gun in their own home or laws prohibiting law abiding citizens from carrying a loaded firearm? Seems to me if you can’t have a gun in your own home that should be considered total confiscation. I think your the one who doesn’t get it! @ Lancer, @NFAguy53, @Yakoi

@Yakoi: I think you have a great opinion!

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The Second Amendment isn't the problem. And since we can't even get basic common sense gun control enacted, the chances of ammending the Constitution are zip. Basically claiming the Second Amendment is under threat is one of the many ways the NRA rallies its supporters, since it doesn't have any logical argumentd against gun control.

A lot of the liberals are a threat as there are a lot of the don’t think it gives private citizens the right to bear arms. There are 4 judges on the US Supreme Court who believe that way. A lot of the liberal gun control people, especially people like Obama and Clinton were intent on undermining the 2nd amendment with liberal appointments to the court.

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