Funny you should put it that way as I only recently finished reading Daniel Quinn's "Ishamael". I suppose the shit will hit the fan eventually if we don't bring our numbers down voluntarily. I know I am not biologically responsible for any added human biomass and I always speak up for childlessness as a positive and rewarding way of life. But imagine what a gory mess a 90% human die-off would leave. Yuck.

@MarkWD I read Ishmael at a time for major changes in my life. I bought several copies and sent them to family and friends. i still have a copy. ZPG is critical but, along with the Sierra Club, sold out to corporations. It will be gory for many as it has been since the beginning of time. It needn't be for most if we make some needed changes mostly economical. I now belong to NPG and things like restrictions on births and excessive immigration are one way of helping non-violent changes.

@MarkWD Also, thought I'd share this [overpopulation-project.com]

They don't have to but eventually everybody goes out. We can't stay inside forever.

There will be a vaccine. Distributing it will be a challenge. I'm 67, but not ready yet to "take one for the team"!

@barjoe You might want to actually read the article. The author is a well known researcher who also worked on AIDS and Ebola. What he says is that in addition to deaths there will be large numbers who never fully recover full kidney or heart function.

If wishful thinking is your idea of 'being positive', why not fully embrace religion?

@MarkWD My thoughts exactly.

@Organist1 I'm also 67 and even those who "take one for the team" will not really be helping the team out, they'll just join the ranks of those with long term disabilities whose cost must be floated by the rest of us.

@MarkWD I was referring to death, however, you are right; a chronically ill and elderly populace won't help anybody.

@MarkWD Regarding to the pessimistic quote that you posted. My reply was to someone else of course but now I'm responding to you. I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean I can't be an optimist. I don't question the author's expertise. I practice social distancing I wear N99 mask. I do this to prevent the spread of the virus. You're entitled your beliefs but don't define my atheism and my beliefs. Covid-19 is a terrible disease and unfortunately a severe case can leave permanent disability. As a child I had measles unfortunately before the vaccine was developed. I have hearing loss in one ear, a heart arrhythmia which I live with today. I'm 62 and I'd like a bit more time. That being said, I'm not going to live the time I have left in a bubble

@barjoe I survived a bad case of measles, mumps, chicken pox, viral meningitis and typhoid fever, and live with a heart arrhythmia. I'm not sure if they are connected, but possibly! I understand the need to be out and about, but if we are just patient for a bit of a while longer, we can save others so much trouble, and ourselves as well. I would rather enjoy my life as a relatively healthy person, and not be tethered to a dialysis machine several times a month, or however often it needs to happen. I wouldn't be the only one.