Time for some honesty. I am really not sure what to call myself. I consider all that I selected I guess. I am not really sure what I am from what I feel I believer or lack belief. I have been through every church faith out there. I haven't found anything that can prove an existence of a god or factual bases of why I should live in fear to be rewarded in the end. I would pose a question and get a 50 scripture run around to answer to leave you more confused than before the question was generated.
When I left the faith all together I left with the understanding that I was going to live my life as good as I can. I was going to treat every person as good as humanly possible because that is how I want to be treated. If there was a creator or a higher being that was judging us then I have made my peace with that I was within my right to do with the free will to seek facts and to do good by others with it. If I was wrong to do so then we would have some talking to do about the vague and misleading rules set to live by and not to mention the apparent loopholes that appear to be set for other believers to take advantage of to do more sinister acts of sin and receive forgiveness.
Honestly, I hate titles, but it's impossible to escape them. Even if you don't use them on yourself, other people will pigeon-hole you whether you like it or not. I've always wondered why, since the labels people put on you fit worse than a Christmas sweater. Are all blonde women stupid? Of course not! Liberal? ("You must be one of them tree-huggers!" ) Atheist? ("Oh, you're one of THOSE!" ) Maybe people use titles and labels because they're too lazy to get to know someone before they pass judgement on them...
Do I have to carry a Title?
I'm thinking of getting one of those suitcases with little wheels to carry mine around in.
Religion is never about answers it is only about faith in deluded dogma and preys on peoples fear of death. Death is something to be avoided but ask yourself this question: you were not afraid to come into this world why fear leaving it?
That's the thing I guess. 14 years ago I had an ulcer that went into a blood vessel or something. I spent the entire night throwing up blood and even passing blood like diarrhea. I just couldn't figure out what the problem was and thought maybe it would stop. I was in the medical field at the time but being a dork I ignored the fact that this could be a major problem and refused to go to the hospital and just decided to wait it out. I as someone who has already left the " Faith " didn't do what many Christians claim Athiest do in times of crisis or what they would call a crisis. I didn't sit and pray for a healing I sat and thought about what could be causing this and my medical history. In the morning since I was still having the vomiting and bowel evacuation of blood I went to the ER. While I was there they asked for a stool sample to see the blood and sure enough, I was about to have another situation where I could easily give that to them. I stood up and that is where I collapsed and coded in the room. They had to resuscitate me and when I was awake and told what had happened and being given blood transfusions and being taken in for tests to see what is causing the severe loss of blood. I didn't have this coming to Jesus moment by any means. I didn't see any lights or life flashing before my eyes I wasn't scared when I was awake. I actually laughed at the confusion of why I was naked and so much blood was in the room. While I was in the ICU after my surgery for repair of the ulcer I was thinking of how impressed I was that medical science is that it can take such a severe neglected problem such as me not coming in earlier to address the loss of blood and the doctors be able to act so quickly and have the tools readily available to fix the problem. This wasn't miracle this was the scientific advancement. If something was to happen to me well then that was because of cause and effect.
@ Mplsguy80 , did you learn from this experience, like maybe to address medical issues when you first become aware you may have one? If you did then something good came out of it other than you get to travel around the sun a little bit longer.
Your experience is not unlike mine in that once I made the leap to atheism regardless s of the crap the world has dealt me I have never back slid into religion; I simply don't think it is even possible. The awareness of reality is far more powerful than the faith in delusions.
Everyone has great and helpful comments on this and I am very appreciative of them all. I can very much agree with them. Thank you for the warm responses.
Welcome! Your thought process, as described, I can relate to. I agree, we don't absolutely need labels, but we seem magnetically drawn to them. They offer us a convenient shorthand for conveying our position on a given subject, but of course that means they can only be approximate, and virtually never perfectly precise. But as long as we have language, I believe we will have labels. And they are not all bad. Just the act of wrestling with them and evaluating the pros and cons, exploring the different details and connotations of each, helps us fine tune and deepen our own understanding and viewpoints. That is a good thing.
just get on with life's ups and downs now you are unburdened as I do and as my dogs do. if they want to lick their nuts they just do.
No, you don't need a label. But it sounds like you're describing humanism... "Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism and empiricism) over acceptance of dogma or superstition. The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it... Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of human freedom and progress. In modern times, humanist movements are typically non-religious movements aligned with secularism, and today humanism typically refers to a nontheistic life stance centred on human agency and looking to science rather than revelation from a supernatural source to understand the world."
I think that we (the members of this forum and other agnostics/atheists) need to set an example - only through our actions will we show that we are as loving, caring etc. as "people of faith".
I intend to lead a good life that is full of love and respect - I just don't need any god to tell me what that means through the imposition of random commandments. I love Stephen Fry's comment ... "why isn't 'Though Shalt Not Rape' one of the 10 commandments"? Religions are insufficient if you want to have a meaningful life that is inquisitive and full of wonder, which mine is
Rape can't be included in the commandments, because later on, the bible explains that rape is a crime against the father or husband of the woman. A crime that can be set right if the woman is not betrothed or married by simply paying the "bride price" and losing the right of divorce.
I didn't know that! Just goes to show how bonkers the bible is! Thanks DJVJ311.
Isn't that covered by adultery (sexual intercourse outside of marriage)?
You will find an answer. For now, you are a brother on this forum. Welcome to the forum my brother.
One of the hardest things to do in life is not care what others think of you. We are the only us, and we are only the best us we can be. If the title you choose for yourself is You, that is good enough. Though, even that is a title. You cannot get away from one. To be, you are.