Right-wing pastor Rick Joyner, the head of MorningStar Ministries, is someone who has encouraged Christians to prepare for the onset of a civil war, that racism was nearly defeated until Barack Obama was elected, and that natural disasters occur because Americans told God to leave the country.

In other words, he’s insane. He was a MAGA cultist long before Donald Trump came around. He’s not an anomaly, either, given how many conservative Christians have followed his lead.

But here’s some welcome and possibly surprising news: Joyner’s five children agree with us. The New York Times‘ Nicholas Kristof says that none of his five “identify as evangelical, and all deplore his politics.”