"There is always a chance that he who sets himself up as his brother’s keeper will end up by being his jail-keeper.” — Eric Hoffer

Religion is dying, get over it.

Science also tells us:  “There is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate,” - Stephen Hawkins

The "universe adds up to nothing, then you don't need a God to create it." Oct 18, 2018 - Stephen Hawkins

His final words in the book were: "There is no God. No one directs the universe." Jan 8, 2022 - Stephen Hawkins

@nogod4me
Let’s look at scientifically gathered evidence, instead of just opinion, shall we? Even when opinions are favorable…

“Hoffer called himself an atheist but had sympathetic views of religion and described it as a positive force.”

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@skado Shit can also be a positive force: fertilizer. But if not controlled it can cause diseases and pestilence.

We have better solutions and alternatives.

We don't need fantasies, and we certainly don't need the fantasy that we need religion.

Religion is dying, let it go.

@nogod4me
“ Stephen Hawkins” etc

Religion isn’t about God… to a scientist. Religion is about behavior modification for social cohesion, through whatever means possible, be that by belief in gods or by mental discipline, as with Buddhism.

@nogod4me
You do you.
I’ll do me, OK?

@skado All of which can be corrupted, and has been corrupted throughout history. The negatives have always outweighed any positives.

Now if you could stick a thermometer up a god's ass and tell us it's temperature that may convince people not to be naughty, and that would be science.

To say religion makes people feel good, doesn't take science, religion has always been a crutch for most people, and people will kill and allow their children to die for that crutch.

Beliefs are diverse and fickle, and fear will always separate people with hate and self-induced insanity.

@nogod4me
Everything humans do can be, and has been, corrupted, but that’s no cause to abandon civilization. The idea that the negatives have outweighed the positives is popular folklore these days, largely due to Dawkins et al, but I’ve not been able to find any scientific corroboration of that, and I have no idea how it could ever be quantified for comparison. If you find it, please let me know.

@skado Abandoning religion is saving civilization.

@nogod4me
I'm not aware of the evidence that supports that claim.

@skado I'm sure there are many things that you are not aware of, however, willful ignorance is no excuse.

You admit that religion can be, has been, and will continue to be corrupted, yet you advocate for it to continue because "science" says it makes people feel good. You sound like a believer regurgitating nonsense.

@nogod4me
I'm sorry, but you have not understood my position. When replies start becoming ad hom attacks I lose interest. I'm not here to engage in ego contests - just tossing around some ideas to discuss, for those who enjoy that sort of thing. Best wishes.