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If the host of this group thinks the following post is inappropriate for here, I will gladly delete it then.

I have a question for those who identify as liberal and as a gun control activist. This is an honest question that I've been meaning to ask for some time now, and please only give straight answers minus the sarcasm, as I am not here to troll or harass anyone. For the sake of the question/argument about to be presented in this post, unless stated otherwise I will assume that each member of this group who is in support of gun control laws identifies as liberal Democrat or Independent.

My question is, how do you, the liberal gun control advocate rationally (keyword there being rationally) justify supporting both positions of being liberal and a gun control activist simultaneously? My reason for asking is, I contend one cannot simultaneously be in suppport of gun control measures while also claiming to be a liberal, as the actions behind each of those motivations are diametrically opposed to one another. The following are two good descriptions of the word liberal - 1. Willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

  1. Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.

With that said, most of you on here that know who I am have probably concluded that I'm one of the resident conservatives on this site, but truth be told I have long considered myself liberal, and in regards to the gun control debate I contend that the real liberals are those who do NOT support gun control legislation (like me), and that the gun control mindset is more in line with a dictatorial one similar to that of fascism. Admittedly, I am quite liberal when it comes to (American) private gun ownership, and believe each individual should get to decide what they want to own, minus Government getting involved in such.

It is worth pointing out that generally speaking gun control Democrats claim to suppport Federal authority over State, yet they have no qualms in using State power (aka, gun control legislation at state level) in order to achieve their agenda, which is hypocritical to say the least, but I digress, that's a whole other issue altogether.

I am curious to see (if any) the feedback this post may receive, and in the future I plan on asking the members in this group more related questions. As always, you the post viewer reserves the right to share your take on the matter, even if that means acting out in an uncivil or outright abusing manner, and if that be the case then I reserve the right to disregard such commentary. I strive to play fair, and no reason why we can't hold civilized debates and argue out our points, assuming said points can be logically and reasonably argued that is. Cheers all.

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I'm not sure what to call myself. Liberal, Progressive, Social Democrat... I believe everyone has the right to live how the want, within the perspective of not effecting others. If you was to be a bigoted, racist, homophobic asshole, it is your right. If you want to be the exact opposite, that is also your right. However, once your choices effect others, you no longer have that right.

So take guns. You want to own a gun, that is your right. You also have a responsibility to keep that gun from killing. It is a weapon, after all, and is your responsibility. The argument "a gun isn't a weapon, it is a tool" is one of the arguments that really infuriates me. Guns have one purpose, and that is to kill. All those who wish to own a gun need to understand that.

Also, most gun owners want that weapon for protection, right? So, I ask them these questions. their home, does it have reinforced doors, windows, or other means of entry? Do they have an alarm system? Have they built a panic room? Because if they haven't, they have not done everything possible to protect themselves. The mentality of shoot first and ask questions later comes to mind. And as for outside the home? if you think you need to carry a weapon to defend yourself, you might need to reevaluate your surroundings or where you go.

A vast majority of the crimes involving firearms committed in "Democrat controlled" metro areas (NYC, LA, Chicago for example) are done so with legally acquired firearms that are them brought into those areas. So yeah, local and state gun control laws don't work. But the Federal government won't do anything about gun control. So that is the best we have.

I have 26 years of responding to 911 calls for all types of violence. I can count on one hand the number of times I responded to an assault with a firearm. The unfortunate reality is I've dealt with more suicides by firearm than I care to recall. And yes, suicide by gun should absolutely be included in gun deaths. It is a gun that caused the death or serious injury to someone. It needs to be accounted for with respect to gun control.

In the end, there is also this: The disconnect you are asking about comes from a place where you think you have the right to defend your self, with a weapon. A sword is a knight's weapon. His offense. His shield is his defense. There is a huge difference.

Rignor Level 7 Nov 30, 2021
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There are very few pro gun democrats left today so I find it kind of hard to be pro gun and support the liberal democrats. I can’t see how anyone could vote for Joe Biden who is a rabid gun control nut and promised to take on the NRA and call themselves pro gun.

Trajan61 Level 8 Nov 30, 2021
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What is wrong with wanting to have better rules in place about guns ? Better rules for everyone’s safety .
What type of danger a regular citizen is worrying about that he / she needs a military weapon ?
Where the hell all these people with such weapons live that they feel so threatened ?
Ok . Let’s say is your right to own it bcz u like it . Alright . I like dogs . Do u know how many regulations are out there for walking your dog on the beach ? Like my 1.6 lbs dog is gonna tear apart who ? What is wrong with having better screening , better follow up , better assesmnts on owing weapons ?
The government also tell u that u can’t drink and drive . Bcz stupid things happen when u drink , and are involving more than just u . Is that wrong ?
In texas , u can’t drink and drive , but u can have a gun in a bar . I wonder what the fuck can go wrong there .
Teens and kids can’t buy guns ? But their poor attitude parents do . And when these guns end up in massive shootings in schools , then we wonder about “ trouble teen “. Yeah . Do u remember teenhood ? What can go around there 🙄, let’s add some easy access to guns 🙁
I think for many things , usa got her priorities wrong . I am tired hearing of “ freedom “ this and “ freedom “ that . Coming from Europe , most of times that makes me laugh . How many wars and what oppression usa went trough ?? Let the Greeks tell u what “ freedom “ means , 5000 years of fighting one asshole or another . And hello Germans 🤢
Who is coming here in America to get your land ? The Canadians ? Your neighboors ? An intruder in the house ? I thought that’s y police is ?
I don’t think it’s anybodys job to ask though y some people need guns . Fine . Can we at least consider that guns on wrong hands bring coffins in the picture , and regulations should be in place ?
Where I am from , r rules are simple . Oh u can drink and buy ciggarets at age of 10 if u want . Nobody cares . If u want to kill your self , not the government buisness to save u . No speed limit on highways . Enjoy your alpha romeo . But u ain’t driving legally at least until u are 21😂. Hopefully by then your hormones and stupidity gets some better self control . Bye bitch 🦇 . Voting , IS MANDATORY . Not optional . U live in the country , u can’t just not care . No voting = no passport . And without passport in Europe , u better as well as u die . Are these rules conservative to u or liberal ?
To us were just humane . Care about others , and know when your rights stop .
Is of all these shit that I typed makes any sense to u spike ? I am tired , but hey , I tried

Pralina1 Level 9 Nov 30, 2021

Why do we need more rules on guns. We have plenty of rules on guns already. Suicides shouldn’t even be counted as gun deaths like they are now as every person should have the right to end their own life.

@SpikeTalon That pretty well sums it up.

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