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While ameriKKKa sits on bullets with a finger on the trigger... New Zealand is pro active and sets an example for the world to admire...
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GipsyOfNewSpain 9 Dec 21
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New Zealand, Australia, and England are islands.

Even the Germans were only successful in getting 1 U-boad full of arms into England (it's an island, remember). The main shipment of arms was intercepted. [en.m.wikipedia.org]

moosepucky Level 7 Dec 21, 2019

Sure, I can tell you something about islands... The only time Puerto Ricans really tried to get free of the Spanish Hold, the ship with the weapons was held in the Espanola Island (Dominican Republic and Haiti) despite the circumstance they charged without weapons staying true to the pact they did with Cuban Liberators they fought without guns. So of course they lost while Cuba was able to liberate from Spain... Puerto Rico couldn't and later came the Spanish-American war and americans came as supposed liberators of the island... but 121 years later they are still in the island. But not wanting to do something and seeing as impossible is just an excuse. There was a time in America when Slavery was Legal and the norm of the day. There were a lot of excuses then why Slavery was the law of the land. 2nd amendment, the nra, the freedom to hunt as sport, traditions of free men, etc, etc, etc. EXCUSES. And even to bring an example happening right now in Puerto Rico with the Traditional Cock Fights and its Legality. Forbidden by federal government and being look as Tradition and a Sport of Gentlemen in the island, the local government trying to allow it in defiance just for the sake of a disgraced party continuing to get votes in following elections. My grade school best friend father raised cocks for fight and used to take us to Galleras as kids. He was a great father and provider for his children but despite the exposure... I consider the "sport" Barbaric and should be abolish and left in the rear mirror as part of our history and tradition but not to be considered going forward. It is our past but should not be our future. Maybe one day guns will be seen the same way in america.

@GipsyOfNewSpain The 2nd ammendment, and there was a reason why it is second in importance just behind free speech, is there so that citizens are guaranteed the means to defend against a tyrannical government like the one they had just broken from. It has nothing to do with hunting, self defense, or armed robbery. It is a strong statement that the rights of the people are greater than the rights of the government over the people.

Guns will always be part of an independent republic. It is the only defense against dictators. The first act of a dictatorship is to disarm the people.

@moosepucky I am sorry but I am a former military... if our military or any other state of art military, lets say top 5 is controlled by a tiranial government and invade us... there is No second amendment that will stop that military. Don't be that naive... we ain't talking military with muskets. Air units along will put a Damp in any civil defense... Don't be that Naive. This is the 21st Century. Chemical Warfare along with make nra useless.

@GipsyOfNewSpain

The military has been turned on our citizens many times

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Would turn your weapon upon your countrymen?

The 2nd ammendment was written to allow the citizens to protect ourselves from OUR government, NOT a foreign invasion.

@moosepucky What happened in the Civil War... didn't two armies turned into their countrymen? So... when was the last time that the 2nd amendment zealots defeated a government army? 2nd amendment is as Obsolete as the Bible. Both based on False and Old Fashioned Pretenses. This is the 21st Century.

@GipsyOfNewSpain

So is freedom of the press, to be secure in your home, due possess.

Don't need any of these. We got government to take care of us.

@GipsyOfNewSpain I think the guerrilla fighters of Vietnam and Afghanistan would disagree with your assumption that the American military is invincible.

Your comparison of the right to bear arms to slavery is just wrong. Slavery was never a constitutionally protected practice as the right to bear arms is. It was an immoral institution that was tolerated for a while. The reason for the 2nd Amendment is not an excuse, it's as relevant today as it was when it was written.

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I agree this is a shameful thing on our part. However, the reality is, is that New Zealand is a small country and, as such, is able to get more done. It's population of 4.8 million is smaller than my state. Bigger is seldom better and this is a prime example.

JackPedigo Level 9 Dec 21, 2019
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New Zealand has leaders with common sense unlike the U.S. More will die here because guns and profits are more important than our people. It's always profits over people with the republiscum!!!

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