A la Schwartzenegger?

@David_Cooper Destroy Nationality? Really? Are you suggesting that the European Parliament was peopled by identical beings, talking identical languages, exhibiting identical national characteristics? Rubbish. Stop peddling these fantasies.

@OwlInASack I agree that your comment is complete bullshit.

@Red_Cat I'm commenting on what leaders like Macron have actually said. They want to destroy national difference. Not everyone watches the news, so I'm sure a lot of people missed that, but he said it.

@David_Cooper The context might be helpful. Do you have a link?

@OwlInASack I'm a communist, darling, so you can shove your right-wing comment right back up your arse where it came from. Some of us monitor a lot more TV news programmes than others, so we have a better understanding of what's going on in the world and more knowledge of what people have actually said. Ignorant people like you who don't do such monitoring to the same degree assume that they know it all and that if they didn't hear something it didn't happen, but no: they're just pig-ignorant.

@Red_Cat Sadly it's impossible to link to a lot of things because they appear on TV news programmes which you either see or miss at the time. Some day, artificial intelligence will produce transcripts of them all and enable them to be searched for and played on demand, but we aren't there yet. He most certainly did say it though.

@OwlInASack TV is only one part of it, darling, but there's a lot that comes out that way which you don't get anywhere else, so you're missing a big part of the picture by ignoring it. And I'm not making anything up about Macron: you're merely demonstrating again that you're an ignoramus.

@OwlInASack I've told you what he said whereas you missed it, so no: you accuse me of making stuff up because you are ignorant. An on the TV point, there are documentaries that cover stuff which you simply can't find information about online, such as the atheist-killing group in Bangladesh called Ansar al Banglati. TV is an important information source which you fail to understand, locked into your bubble of haters, calling everyone a Nazi who wants to improve the world by eradicating all the sources of hate in the texts rather than by attacking people.

@OwlInASack I picked it up directly from the TV news where he said it himself. I don't look at these right-wing sites that you're so obsessed with, but spend my time monitoring useful sources of information instead.

You've either found information that's been added since I searched for it then or the search engines have improved - part of the problem with looking things up is knowing how they're spelt if you've only heard them being said with bad articulation. The important point here though is that television is more efficient for finding out about a lot of things that are going on in the world than reading newspapers or web pages, and one of the key advantages is that you can just leave it on in the background while doing other work, and it gives you the key story without you having to hunt through lots of different pages, which is something hardly anyone has time to do.

You use the word all the time: "straight out of the Nazi playbook". You are a defender of hate who goes round pouring your hate at people who want to remove that hate from the world by getting rid of the hate in the texts that drive people to act on it. However, you are soon going to meet a new technology which will give you an impartial analysis of how well (i.e. badly) you've performed in all these discussions you have with people online and how you've wrongly branded them as fascists while you behave like a fascist yourself. I think many levels higher up than you are capable of, and many of the things which I say are counterintuitive, but correct. Simpletons aren't able to see that. For that reason, your woeful performance is only to be expected and you can't altogether be blamed for it. You have no idea what's going on in the world, and that's a common problem, but I'm building a tool that will fix you. I want to rescue all the terrorists from the hate that drives them, and all the fools from their idiocy. AGI is the key, and the build of my proto-AGI system was completed in November. It's nearly through the testing and debugging phase. This is the tool that will kill off fascism of every kind, including yours. The cure is coming and it will not involve any deaths. There is no God, but we can fill that void with something nearly as good.

@OwlInASack Eliminating national difference is eliminating cultural difference: he made it very clear that he wanted populations to mix to eliminate identity difference, and that inevitably destroys cultural difference.

Well, clearly if other people are saying the same thing, it's because they've heard Macron's words too by watching the news. That is no coincidence. I don't have time to look up your right-wing reading matter. Come and visit me if you like and you can look through all my browsing history. You'll find all the right-wing sites I regularly visit such as those relating to boat design, science, operating system development, linguistics, etc. I don't waste my time on politics.

Why obsessed exactly?

You're obsessed with me: you hate my condemnation of hate that you want to protect and you've now added to that my desire to protect cultural difference by not deliberately trying to destroy national difference. I'm not the one who's getting politics wrong. You are.

You're the one getting it wrong about Macron because you don't watch enough news.

The point about finding things through searches is that people simply don't look. TV makes information available much more efficiently, as does radio, if you tune in to the right stations.

You've been wrong on both counts. Macron said what he said, and TV is a more efficient source of news than any of the alternatives. I follow the news from multiple sources and am well aware of their different biases.

I'm not going to go trawling through old conversations looking for examples of your use of the word playbook, which I've only ever seen being used when people like you are calling other people fascists. And you are a defender of hate: you've written several chapters' worth of shite in other threads attacking me for condemning the hate in all holy texts and non-religions manifestos on the basis that you think I'm only attacking one of them and you make out that I actually hate the people that that hate belongs to. But no: I only condemn the hate and I condemn all of it from all those sources: that is the hate that generates all the trouble. If we could get rid of it all, those religions and other ideologies would all be rendered peaceful and benign. That's was my message all along, but you kept throwing accusations at me based on your own prejudice that comes from the groups of extremists that handed you your playbook. You can't tell the difference between two opposites.

Your behaviour towards me has been disgusting in the extreme, and that's what you will have set out for you by impartial AGI. You've spent the last couple of years following me around attacking me for condemning hate because you can't tell the difference between a condemnation of all sides' hate and a biased condemnation of just one side's hate. Your mind works as follows: if anyone criticises Islam's hate while also condemning the hate in every other religion that contains it and every non-religious ideology which has it too, you only see one part of that and call the person a fascist. Well no, darling: you are the fascist, and troll. The deranged thing here is you. You are so lacking in intelligence that you don't recognise the overwhelming superiority of my intelligence over yours, so you imagine it to be deranged lunacy, but no: I have the machine on my desk. I know what I've built and what it can do.

There is no need to ask permission for an AGI system to read any site, just as a browser is entitled to read them. AGI simply becomes part of the OS, finding and reading information for the user and analysing the performance of their and other people's output. It will score people for intelligence and let them know exactly where they stand. In your case, you'll get a very low rating because you call people liars for knowing things that you don't know and call them fascists for condemning all hate on an equal basis. Your brain simply isn't wired up correctly, but AGI will help you fix that. Look around the world and you'll see that you aren't alone in needing that assistance: almost every politician on the planet needs the same work done on them.

@OwlInASack You're the one needing professional help, and I'm working hard to make the best help available to you. That help will come, so just hang in there. Don't give up.

He wants to stir populations up to eradicate national difference, and he know damn well that the result of that is cultural evaporation.

If you find applied mathematics hilarious, that's great: better than taking happy drugs. A machine that applies mathematics to all things with no bias build into it is an unbiased system.

I'm not doing the things you're doing. You're accusing me of being some kind of Nazi by ignoring my attacks on all the hate that doesn't come from the source of hate that you love on the basis that I attack the hate that you love and you then imagine that it is only your pet hate that I attack. You're blind. You also accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting to stop the deliberate vandalism of culture. If culture declines all by itself, that's sad, but it's up to the people it belongs to whether they want to keep it going or not. But when people deliberately try to eliminate it, that's when I object.

What's going on here then? I'm an anti-fascist accusing you of being a fascist, while you claim to be an anti-fascist accusing me of being a fascist. How can that happen? I condemn all fascism. You defend some fascism and call me a fascist for attacking it. That's the difference. Clean up your act and stop defending hate. The people on the end of the most hate are the ones who are protecting the most hate. I don't hate them though: I just ask them to get rid of their hate.

You call me out on what! I'm not directing hate at anyone: I'm condemning hate full stop, and you're attacking me for it. You are the hater here, and you are the delusional crazy. You wouldn't recognise deep insight if it bet you in the ass, so you'll never realise you've been talking to the best mind on the planet.

Here's reality for you: I condemn all the hate, and the primary sources of hate most of all, while you condemn all the hate except the primary sources which drive the rest. You want people to keep propagating that hate and you call anyone a fascist for wanting that hate to be thrown in the bin where it belongs.

And reality part too: I condemn the vandalism of culture in the form of attempts to destroy nationality. You attack me again here because your tiny little mind cannot conceive of the idea that someone might want to defend the positive things in nationality without wanting any of the negative things associated with it, so you assume that they must like all those negative things. But no: there are two kinds of nationalism: one which views all nationalities as equal and one which sees one as superior to all the others. I have no time for the latter whatsoever. You equate the two things though, and that's where you go so badly wrong, leading to you making the most embarrassing display of an idiot repeatedly attacking a good person and trying to make out he's a fascist. Sort yourself out.

@OwlInASack Of course, and I've found some who agree that the hate needs to be removed from the texts. We're working on a project to restore the Qur'an to the original hate-free version that Muhammad must originally have revealed before it was tampered with. Then there will be two rival documents both making the exact same claim about being untampered with by man, and the way to judge between them will be to judge them by the difference in hate: God could not possibly approve of the hate that's in one of them, so it is obviously the fake one. We need to do the same thing for all other religions with hate in their holy texts too. This way we can unite the whole world and make it peaceful.

@OwlInASack Thanks - if you don't aim high, you don't tend to overachieve. It's going to take AGI to crack this though: we need to construct the best religious scholar of all time and then have it rewrite all the texts in the form that God would want them to be in if he existed.

@Moravian @Marionville. You represent one side of Brexit, just as many people in the old colonies did not wish to cut their links to the mother country.
Look at the celebrations and you can see people supporting the other side of Brexit.
Don't only think British colonies - other nations also had colonies. Gibraltar is one that is determined to remain tied to Britain, but not ALL Gibraltarians feel the same.
This is the point I was making. I was physically present in two ex-colonies at their moment of independence, and was avidly in favour of it, but many of my friends were not.

@Petter The coming together of old allies, foes, others after WW2 was a joining of equals with the purpose of uniting an often war-torn Europe. Equals, no matter who won the war, or lost it.

This was totally different to one nation colonising another by conquest, often taking the host's natural resources in the process.

Several leading politicians and commentators from various EU countries, have said in interviews that they are very sad to see a strong member of the community depart. They all have added that both parties will be weaker as a consequence. That is what I see and hear on the TV channels available in the UK.

There is no joy, except among those who wish to destroy what has been built up over, I think, 47 years of UK membership of the EU. It is so much easier to destroy than to create. And gloating is cheaper than magnanimity.

I am part of The European Movement, and will now devote the rest of my life to getting the UK to re-apply for membership of the EU. It has already started:

[europeanmovement.co.uk]

@Red_Cat I have friends and family who voted to leave and the only treason I can get from them is that the EU changed from a trade coalition to a political union. I think anyone with half a brain is aware of that and it was to the benefit of all of Europe. I feel angry and sad today and will have a close look at the movement you mention

@Red_Cat You miss my point. I'm pointing out that the feelings on both sides of Brexit reflect the feelings of both sides on ending a colonial relationship. Gibraltar, for example, has a majority adamantly against not being under British control.

@Petter You wrote: "To all those watching the UK brexit celebrations, both for and against - now you understand how the former colonies felt." If I missed the point you were making, perhaps it was a point not well made. For example, when somebody says or writes, "...now you know how it feels..." there is an element of "Told you so" or gloating. That is common parlance where I come from and where I now live.

It is presumptuous of you to assume that people with strongly held views are not capable of simultaneously understanding, if not empathising with others who hold different views. You need not bother to assume the role of teacher with me.

@Red_Cat There was no element of gloating. Merely a plea for understanding. Too often I get nothing but blind condemnation for having been a colonial.

@Petter Perhaps it would have been better to write this in your Original Post: Too often I get nothing but blind condemnation for having been a colonial.

That could have been followed by reasons why you do not deserve to be condemned. There is a whole different and interesting conversation to be had around that, rather than assume the rest of us do not understand brexiters.

It was euphoria at being masters of themselves, mixed with apprehension about the future.
Is there not a degree of parallel emotion amongst a large proportion of the UK population right now

@Petter Certainly I’m unhappy...because I think the benefits we got from being an EU member far outweighed the disadvantages. I am dismayed at the vulgarity and downright contempt of Farage and his cohort of Brexit MEPs when they waved union flags and gloated at the European Parliament yesterday. They are the sort of jingoistic little Englanders that I believe show Britain up in an extremely bad light and that I hate to be associated with. I’m ashamed of them and the fact they and their doctrine of isolationism and going it alone managed to persuade the majority to vote to leave the EU. They have an arrogance, completely misplaced, because they believe that the British are better than everyone else, especially Johnny Foreigner on mainland Europe. I can only speak for myself of course and don’t know how others feel, but I do think the expectations and optimism which Boris has built up around fantastic trade deals, especially with USA ,will leave a large number of people disillusioned and angry at being hoodwinked by him.

@Marionville You certainly understand one side of the colonial debate. The other side was boisterously happy! See the resemblance?
If you then follow the early post-colonial history you will see attitudes changing, ON BOTH SIDES.

@Petter Time will tell one that one.

@Marionville Which is exactly what happened in many ex colonies, and is still happening. Remember, Canada, India and Australia are ex-colonies. So are Somalia, Algeria and Brazil.

@Petter I really don’t need the history lesson..I’m aware of Britain’s colonial past along with that of other European nations and their empires. I can also see why you believe the comparison in us leaving the EU is apt. Yes, perhaps to a certain degree it is, but Britain was never a colony of the EU, they never imposed imperial rule over us, we were equal partners in all decision making and in fact helped to shape and influence the EU rules. We didn’t have to fight the EU to leave, in fact the original member states put up more of a fight when we originally tried to join, making it much harder to get into it than it was to leave it. The only fighting we’ve been doing has been amongst ourselves in the UK, it has left us a deeply divided country.

@Marionville I know all that. I know Britain wasn't colonised - although it was (and still is) bound to toe the line in many matters. It had, in effect, lost sovereignty to a central, external authority.
My post's point concerns the differing EMOTIONS felt by the populations of those lands.
Many people in England, fed "politically correct" garbage by usually left wing apologists, never understood the mixed feelings in countries as they gained independent sovereignty.
I felt it first hand. Tanganyika was not a colony, it was a UN mandated Territory. Uganda was a protectorate. Kenya was a mix. A protectorate in the wide coastal strip, and a colony in the interior. I lived in all of them, both before and after independence.
I can assure you the emotions were very similar to what I am seeing now regarding Brexit.
I hope this helps people understand the colonial past. After all, swathes of Canada were created by American "remainers", who migrated North in order to remain part of Britain.

East Africa transitioned well. The Belgian Congo disastrously.
India had an insurmountable problem - religion.
The "fudge" solution was to create Pakistan, an ongoing problem for India.