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The latest terrorist attack in London was perpetrated by a young man just released from prison, serving a sentence for previous terrorist offences. He had been "radicalised" at a young age and this was reinforced whilst in prison.
He is on record as saying that he wanted to die a martyr and go straight to paradise. Well he certainly attained part of his wish but i fear that there will be no dark eyed "houris" waiting in paradise for him.
I don't know if it says in the Koran that those considered martyrs go to paradise but many believe it to be so. I tried reading an English translation but it was so boring and repetitive that I gave up.
It seems to be taboo to criticise Islam on this site but dozens of those young men are being indoctrinated by Islamic preachers. Boris has recently changed the law to keep the dozens in prison there a bit longer.
Fundamentalist Christian preacher Franklin Graham has been stopped from preaching his hate filled diatribe here so why can't we do the same with hate filled Imams.
Abu Hamza was allowed to preach in the open air even after being denied to do so in a mosque.
We have to be tougher with these guys.

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Look at the cost of rehabilitation. Then some people will pass through just pretending they are reformed. Religion tends to pull people towards a belief system which drives them to commit acts of deviance in the name of their invisible friend in the sky.
As yet, we cannot trust these people to become 100% reformed. So what can society do?

Sofabeast Level 7 Feb 4, 2020

@OwlInASack But how? I notice that religion can spread virulantly through the prison system much in the same way gang culture can and does. I have no decent answer yet - that part of the course doesn't start until after easter!

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Unfortunately, trying to protect the innocent from lengthy jail sentences has led to the guilty getting out early. This is the result. I see punishment as another limited resource. It takes infrastructure and scores of people and money to work out an equitable system that can protect both the innocent and the community from the guilty. The system is overloaded and this is the result. On my bandwagen again but this is a prime example of overcrowding and overpopulation.

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Islam is just a little more adaptive for this but looking at history not the only one. Check out the bible many instances of wholesale slaughter by the jews or what Christians did in the holy wars in the middle East, religion is rife with examples of this

bobwjr Level 10 Feb 4, 2020
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I left a lengthy reply to Hastur...which I really meant to post here. The previous Tory govt.of David Cameron changed the law that Tony Blair and Labour brought in which could have kept people like this young radical in jail indefinitely. They changed it because it had been abused and people in for minor crimes were being denied release. It should only have been used for the most dangerously indoctrinated terrorists. Now in a knee jerk reaction Boris is hastily bringing it back...that is called making laws on the hoof instead of considered parliamentary debate!

Except that Cameron repealed that law because releasing prisoners earlier was cheaper than having to build more prisons.
Cheaper still would be hanging fanatical terrorists!!

@Petter Yes I know that was probably the prime motivation for repealing the law, but it was also being abused and one man given an 11 month sentence for a relatively minor non terrorist crime ended up in prison for years, which to my mind is not what that kind of law was introduced to combat. Under NO circumstances do I believe the state should resort to execution of its own citizens.

@Marionville .... only those citizens of other states, usually by bullets and bombs!

@Petter Sadly..we’ve always been guilty of that!

@Marionville Have to agree here. There is no evidence that capital punishment reduces crime. It is a retributive act. Incarceration is best used as a part of a reformative process. Prison does not reduce crime, it nurtures it.

The judiciary can only respond to the sentencing laws laid down by the executive. It is at the governmental level that review is required and now that ISIS are on the move again, it is a matter of some urgency

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You don't have to be a "believer" to believe in humanity. I see good in all religions, but alongside I see dogma and fanaticism.

.If You Ask If I’m A Christian

If you ask if I’m a Christian, I will say, “It could be so.”
I respect Christ for his teachings on the world of long ago.
But then, we should remember, Jesus was a Jew,
In the footsteps of Elijah, as was John, his baptist, too.
Mohammed too is worthy, as are many other men
Who taught us social wisdom, for the world they lived in - then.
Some were mighty leaders, others humble souls,
And, one and all, they cherished noble social goals.

So if you ask if I’m a Muslim, I will say “That could be too.”
And if you press me even further I’ll tell you I’m part Jew,
Even Bhudist, or Confuscian or perhaps a mild Hindu
For every single faith can have a valid social view.
But also I will tell you, “A believer I am not”.
For religions in the main are based on superstitious rot
From a time when nature’s mysteries could only be explained
By invoking “higher powers”, or by magic spells ordained.

The fathers of religions sought to teach men how to live
And abide by laws of justice, and even how to give.
But after they had perished, some advocates became
The cause of human carnage, committed in their name.
None more so than disciples of monotheist rote
As they sought out power and influence - and rivals swiftly smote;
As they built religious empires; as they redefined convention,
And made contradiction of their word a sin beyond redemption.

To deny existence of a God meant dreadful persecution,
An excruciating, pain-filled fate as means of execution,
To merely question dogma or propound new explanation
Of natural phenomena invited swift damnation.
But just because I don’t believe that God exists, or Gods,
Doesn’t make me wicked: Except to mindless clods
Who won’t accept I don’t believe in their imagined “truth”
That was inculcated in their minds throughout their early youth.

The Crusaders of Jerusalem were devout men in the main,
Taught to kill “the heathens” by those who stood to gain:
As were later generations who committed suicide
To kill the wicked “infidel”, and in the name of Allah died.
So if you ask if I’m religious - I’ll deny it all I can,
For I don’t believe the tallest tale ever told by man.
And when militant religionists cry “God supports our cause.”
To me, they might as well invoke the name of Santa Clause.

Petter Finne
26.08.2012

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