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And the new theme going is the same as it was with Obama. We are ushering in a new America. When we drown in rhetoric we all lose.

William_Mary 8 Nov 9
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Democratic Party voters are about to fall asleep for 4-8 years again. I will never completely understand how any group of people can be so brainwashed and compliant and just ignore something.

Because they are lazy and self-centered. It is more comfortable and easy to live in a mode where all you expect from yourself is to vote Dem every two or four years and then complacently fall asleep after they are elected. You can tell yourself and others then that you have done your part and that Dems can be trusted to do the right thing in between elections, while you have no responsibility to watchdog them and hold them accountable to the voters.

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I agree. I remember how the sheeple celebrated so blindly when Obama won, then fell asleep and complacently settled for all his happy talk instead of him actually doing or fighting for anything to help the masses. And pushing for a healthcare plan that Romney had already done in MA doesn't count as doing anything progressive. We could have had single payer if Obama and the congressional Dems had really wanted it. They could have rammed it down the throats of the Repubs the same way the Repubs do every time they actually want something. And also remember that Obama started out with a majority in the House and a supermajority of 60 in the Senate, but he deliberately squandered that as soon as possible so he could publicly blame the Repubs for not getting better than Romneycare. But the actual truth is that he went into the debate not wanting anything more than that, not even a public option. Russ Feingold even said so after the ACA was passed, that "the president got the bill he wanted all along". Feingold told the truth too much it seems and later lost his Senate seat and has been missing from public life ever since. The diff between Obama and Biden tho is that Biden doesn't have the charm, charisma, or lying skills of Obama, so I don't think his rhetoric of platitudes and generalities will be able to carry him as long as Obama was able to con people. The only ? is how long before Biden steps down and hands off to Harris.

Just watch as Biden appoints the same Wall Street and corporate hacks that Obama did, that will tell you in advance everything you need to know about what his policy agenda will be. It sure told me everything to expect from Obama.

Obama also didn't have a horrific history of nearly 5 decades that voters totally ignored in respect to Biden. Or 2 horrific decades in respect to Harris. Which such history's were easily accessible to find for voters with the information people like us provided as fair warning. Obama was afforded a false managed perception by the media due to his relative newness by the media and the 2 party establishment. In which they hid much of his donor class which one was a major war hawk corporate owner with large concerns in keeping the Middle East wars going.

@William_Mary There is also another reason that most people are scared to mention because of liberal cancel culture. They thought because Obama was black that something was going to change.

Obama bombed brown people in 7 countries? So what? Look how cool he talks and he can also hit a jump shot (right before 2020 election). "It's what I do". So what he is an establishment piece of shit that licked corporations nuts and killed hundreds of thousands of people in unjust wars. He's black, cool, plays basketball, and can talk pretty. He's like ME!!!

...and here is Obama hitting a 3 pointer in front of the troops. They deliberately used his race to fool millions of people:

Playing basketball on The Early Show:

.....and here he is "mentoring" Steph Curry:

It's disgustingly obvious. Anytime they could get a shot with him playing basketball or putting some extra twang on his voice, they took it.

It reminds me when AOC did the same with her voice:

.....and when Hillary Clinton did it too:

(Special appearance by Obama and Anthony Weiner lol)

Voters are dumb, and the politicians are psychos.

@Piece2YourPuzzle I agree and that really nails what I hate about identity politics. It uses stereotypes to con people into believing a candidate will act and govern a certain way if they get elected. In the case of Obama, it was the assumption that because he was black, and therefore assumed to be empathetic and sympathetic to the plight of colored people and poor people, would do the right thing for them if elected prez. What fans of identity politics don't get is that traitors and sellouts come in all colors, genders, and sexual orientations. Just because someone shares their group's hobbies, image, and identity on the superficial or skin level, tells you nothing about their real values or allegiances regarding class or politics.

@TomMcGiverin The only truly shared color is green with politicians lol

@Piece2YourPuzzle Yup, they only care about getting money and power. I don't care if the candidate is a green-skinned trisexual alien-human hybrid, what matters is their real values, whether their record matches their rhetoric, whether they can be or have already been bought, who pulls their strings behind the scenes, and whether their policies match mine. All this crap about the candidate's identity stuff is irrelevant to the intelligent, informed voter.

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