I think that a typo has occurred Roger.

@FrayedBear What? I'm not seeing it. Am I being dense?

@rogerbenham ok, my misread of last sentence as a stand alone and not part of the preceding 2! Doh!

@FrayedBear Socialism is manifest in our daily lives to our benefits. Socialism allows us to not have to lay the road as it was laid by the state. Imagine all roads owned by corporations charging a toll. Instead we pay for roads through taxation. Socialism usually provide water and sewage. In Canada socialism provides schooling, pays for some of the university costs, provides most needed health care, attempts to limit drug prices, provides road maintenance. But capitalism wishes to control all these things and charge great prices so that CEO's can rake in millions and shareholders can make far more than they would investing in bank saving schemes. Socialism looks after the poorest (ideally), capitalism could not care less if they are not contributing to the wealth of those at the top.

@rogerbenham Lol, "you're teaching your Granny to suck eggs Roger". My ancestry included being part of the co-operative that resulted in the first to protect workers from the avarice of their employers. In order to help pull fellow articled clerks from the "slavery" of their articles I was first and probably only local union representative in NW Lancashire. The bastards probably got their own back by passing me on every paper but failing me overall on the final exam.

@FrayedBear Wonderful! My dad was a member of the Fabian Society in the 30's. He was a long time labour supporter despite being a multinational industialist. Not all bosses are bad! Mind you we had few friends living in solid conservative Buckinghamshire. You will appreciate that I learned a thing or two going to Durham University but after my masters I worked for a big contractor in Hammersmith. At lunchtime I'd drink beer with a trade union foreman and in the evenings I chat to a right wing accountant ... about the same things. It got me to realise that often there can be conflicting truths. As my wife may still be saying albeit to god, everyone is doing the best that they can. In my world the only things that matter are to live with love and to live with one's truths. For some strange reason I can't seem to die. No doubt I will but it is as if there are things that I still need to learn.

@rogerbenham Hammersmith was the home of George Wimpey's head office if I remember rightly. I worked for them in Liverpool 68-70 when I told them to piss off.

@rogerbenham One of the few things that I remember my brother sharing was the expression "the day that you die is the day that you stop learning".

@FrayedBear Well I was working for Rosser and Russell located on the NE corner of the bridge. We walked under the bridge to go to the pub.
Yes I agree with your brother though at my age it also will be the day that I stop forgetting people's names.

@rogerbenham lmao at forgetting people's names - I've done that all my life unless they were special to me from the first ten seconds.

@FrayedBear By the way, if you ever want to find me on Facebook I'm the one with Pooh Bear as my profile picture.

@rogerbenham How Wonderful. My avatar here is a painting that I did to "look after" my 3 month prematurely born daughter when she was released from the neonatal ward. It was facing in on the bedhead of her cot.
I spent an amazing 90 days for upto 16 hours a day by her bedside feeding her through a tube up her nostril, talking to her, cleaning her, encouraging her to live and probably bringing her back to life hundreds of times when she apnead in front of me. It therefore represents an important time in my life.

@FrayedBear I suffer from sleep apnea. Are you saying that she died ? OMG.

@rogerbenham Each apnea is a potential death if breathing is not restarted. In new born & her case it was the brain forgetting to breath. Unless restarted death occurs when blood oxygen runs out. Restarting is a simple process of providing stimulus - a gentle tickle - to remind the brain to breathe again. Eventually it stops happening. My daughter is now approaching 40 & rarely talks to me.

In adults I believe it is a different process but know very little. Have you seen a sleep specialist? Do you use a breathing mask?

@FrayedBear Same sort as I have. Central Sleep Apnea. Brain control of breathing. I have a friend here whose brother died of it.
My daughter is 41 and hardly ever communicates with me. My son is 5 years younger and has absolutely nothing to do with me.
Yes I've twice at least been in sleep labs. I wear a breathing mask, though I dislike it. It is monitored by radio link to a place in town and from there to Prince George 350 kms East of here.

@rogerbenham What is it with our children?

@FrayedBear Well in my case I was a back-to-the-lander hippie and I did very well at that. My daughter was a microbiologist and my son a criminal lawyer. They are mainstream straight. There's more to it than that as my relationship with their mother was rather a disaster from the start. Classic underdog/overdog psychology.

@rogerbenham past tense - now a stay at home mother and son a judge?

@rogerbenham A large percentage of parents with premmies marriages did not survive the experience.

@FrayedBear Had to look up premmie. Your marriage broke up because of the premmie? I did not understand the reference.
My daughter now works in a post office having raised my grandson to school age as a stay at home mum.
I'm told my son is a lawyer. I hope he does not try to sue me. Mind you I have been in court three times and won each time.

@rogerbenham The marriage was over before my daughter was born. It was more important to my ex that her pre pregnancy slacks fitted her post birth - according to her "the most degrading experience of her life". It was 3 weeks before she went to see her daughter transferred from the birthing hospital to one with a specialist ward for premmies. My daughter did not bond with her mother for along time.
Why does your son sue you?

@FrayedBear He has not and I do not expect him to do so as long as his mother lives because she knows that it was she who told me to go, not I that went. My mistake with her was the opposite of yours. By the time I met her I may have had 30 lovers and in those early pill days they were all on the pill. I wrongly assumed that she would not want to be pregnant. As I found out 6 or 7 years later she only wanted intercourse to get pregnant. We had virtually no sex between child #1 and child #2. But I did the honourable thing and stuck with her despite mostly neither of us loving the other. I left 10 months after she told me to go because she wanted to marry someone else. As it turned out (I did warn her) he did not want to marry her. We had a notarised agreement about separation signed at least a year before she told me to go.
It is all more than 30 years ago and she has married again (I believe). But TG she gave me the way out of that "marriage".

By the way, we are a very long way off the story line subject!

@rogerbenham Go private message if you want and delete these posts if you want. I was subsequently told that mine only married me to make her father happy before he died of cancer.