When raising children is it OK to let them go with a friend to a Bible camp? My ex said it was more of an outdoor thing but I have my doubts. My daughter is 10 and strong willed I have no doubts about her skepticism of religion . It doesn't make sense to her. Is what she told me. I explained my views and she said that makes way more sense. I just don't want her to be made an example and have her brow beaten with the Bible for her stubbornness to not simply accept what she is told.
I feel like you're volunteering your kid for brainwashing camp. Maybe not the best decision.
It’s all about indoctrination: prayers, preaching, bible reading, etc.
I’d look for something else if it were my kids.
@OroLee Thanks for that link. I didn’t know such a thing existed. And there’s one right over there in Mississippi.
"Bible camp". That says it all.
How about calling it what it is: Christian indoctrination camp.
Having been several times in Summers during my youth, I can attest that it is not "...more of an outdoor thing..." The kids are lured to Bible Camp with tales of swimming, baseball, canoing, handicrafts, etc. In reality it is hours of religious orientation, church every night and twice on Sunday. In short, many hours of religious boredom with scant time off to enjoy the camp amenities. At 75 years of age, I am still resentful for the disingenuous bait and switch that turned out to be tedious boredom.
How old are they? If they're very young, it's perhaps best not to permit them to go. If they're old enough to understand that adults frequently talk crap and you've brought them up to think for themselves, this could be a wonderful opportunity for them to try out their anti-woo combative conversation skills - and probably have fun doing it.
As someone raised in an evangelical setting, I would say no to Jesus Camp. Their goal will be to get her to understand that she is completely worthless unless she says the magic words. Her friends will tell her how sad they are that she won't be in heaven with them...it's a lot of pressure for a kid. Send her to some other kind of non-religious camp.
I sent three kids to bible camps while they were children. Two have grown up to be Atheists, and the youngest wants to stay on her dad's good side. The other activities at camp might make up for the religion. However, let her know what to expect, and it depends on the denomination. Is this a fundamentalist church or a more liberal denomination? The fundamentalists will try to scare god into them. The more liberal churches will make sure they have a good time and encourage them to believe.
Indoctrination and brainwashing is to same no matter how you dress it up. Stand your ground.
Faith is defined as "belief that is not based on proof". These camps are Faith based so what your child will be subjected to is religious teachings being presented as truth. Not sure if this is what you want.
I let my kids go. We talked about respecting others believes and as they are going to be there guests to not question. I did stress that if something happens they where not comfortable with to insist on calling me so I can come get them.
When they came back we had a long talk and researched everything they had questions about. My parents gave me a gift of not being raised in a religion but encouraged me to look into them to see if any worked for me. I did the same for my kids. Both are still non religious and adults today.
It's okay. Children have survived bible camps for years. Have conversations with them when they get home, and give them honest answers to their questions. The sooner kids understand and accept that there are many different people who believe many different things, they can think critically and find answers for themselves.
Children will follow role models, it is part of their nature. Religion targets the young for this very reason. Use caution in your decision
Hmmm...I tried cigarettes for the first time at age 10 at a Baptist summer camp at a lake....and I had my first kiss there the next year from a really cute boy from Pittsburgh.....then at 14, I tried pot for the first time at the same camp and we (a group of 6-8 teens) watched two counselors have sex by the campfire after they sent us all to bed.
LOL but, sure, I'm sure your kids will be fine going to church camp...... hahahahahaha
Full disclosure - I don't have kids
Is there necessarily anything wrong with them going? No. Would I want my kids to go? I would prefer not, but I would look at it as a teaching opportunity.
I'd want to talk to my kid to find out why they were wanting to go. It would not be about whether I agreed with why they wanted to go, but that it was truly their decision to go; that they hadn't been coerced or convinced by adults that are believers.
Then I would do some research into the camp to understand what ACTUALLY goes on. After that I would sit down and have a heart to heart with my kid giving them an idea of what to expect at the camp, and make sure it was still what they wanted.
If they did go, then we would talk about what they did, and what they learned. I would want to know what they thought about everything. I would ask a lot of questions to get their mind working, not tearing down what they were taught, but hopefully leading them down the path of critical thinking about what they were taught.
The whole point of that camp is to stop their minds working. That's how people become religious.
@Ellatynemouth I understand, and like I said, I wouldn't want my kid to go. BUT, if they want to experience something religious, I don't want to stop them. If I deny them the experience, I feel I am no better than the religious who don't let their kids experience things that aren't religious. It's not my job to decide for my kids, it's my job to teach them, but they have to make the decision for themselves.
I hear what you're saying. But it's not an equal playing field. Atheism is not a belief. It's just looking at the world at it is and accepting there are no easy answers.
Religion on the other hand has big money behind it. There is a lot of peer pressure and psychological games too. I think it's difficult for every child to be strong enough to be immune to that.
@Ellatynemouth I know, atheism is a lack of belief in any gods. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's looking at the world "as it is", because for me I don't KNOW there aren't any gods. I just think the existence of anything that we could call a god is so improbable there is no good reason to believe. And even if they did, I wouldn't care, nor would I worship them - which is why I often call myself an apatheist.
I'm understanding, that you wouldn't let your child go near that camp. I would be okay with it, because I wouldn't want to feel like I was squashing their intellectual curiosity, or that I was handling it like the religious, in telling them that certain things are forbidden - making them that much more interested.
By talking about it with them afterwards, I would feel like I was in control of the final message...or final takeaways (not that any of us is really in control of another person, even our children). I trust that how I had raised them up to that point would have developed enough critical thinking and skepticism that they would not fall prey to the religion. But, I would also know there are no guarantees, and I'm taking a risk by letting them go.
Not all children are immune to the influence of peer pressure.
I would rather live in a world that allows for adults to choose religion for themselves.
I see your point. It is valid.
But at the same time I'm reminded of the boy recently photographed with the Pope, distraught and crying because he worried that his father, who had just died, might go to hell.
There is a lot of toxic garbage within religion that creates dysfunctional thought processes later in life, that are very hard to get rid of: homophobia, misogyny, viewing sex a being dirty etc.
I wouldn't feel happy letting a child of mine go.
If you read dahermit's post below mine...
Are you afraid that their indoctrination will come across louder than what you've taught them? If kids believe whatever their parents believe, theyll never own it. Let them find their own way.
If Bible camps were so ineffective, they wouldn't do them.
I would suspect that anything with the words 'Bible' and 'Camp' in the same context smacks of attempted indoctrination framed by some altruistic Boy Scout concept. It's not possible to shield children from all adult conniving. Difficult I understand but if they are not allowed to go, the whole exclusion scenario could give the event some mystical status in their minds and becme an attractive course to explore rather than a run of the mill youth camp with fairy and folk tales as the core discourse rather than learning practical outdoor skills. I suspect that most children have their own internal BS meters. So long as there is a debrief session from yourself on return it could be a major life experience for them. If your ex is a member of the group and that is their residence it is likely they will be on the road to accepting the concepts presented. Good luck with that one. Just try to bear in mind that with older children prohibition breeds defiance. The most effective support is an open door and a listening ear.