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I realized something that has been bothering me about Peterson. He keeps quoting his sources as if they are ‘a final word!’ And...he uses the same few! Peterson will also connect his source’s ideas, with the scriptures! He has few, modern ‘sources,’ as if past knowledge is ‘truer,’ or more in line with human development! It reminds me of how the Bible is memorized and quoted to back up arguments...as if...it is the final word! I have seen too many extenuating circumstances, for the same issues, to believe there is only one way of perceiving ‘it’ as reality for everything surrounding that single issue! I need more original material, describing human issues, on even religion...I can turn a single human issue...in every direction, but describing it with the same words...only gets me the same answer!
Freedompath
Level 9
June 10, 2018
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Etre:
I think he is really trying to show the correlation between the biblical narrative, and psychology. Think personality traits, spirits, demons vs mental illness, multiple personalities ect.. I think he is trying to be easy, unlike Nietzsche. Just my theory. I do see what you are saying.
@Etre I do get his ideas and I like a lot of what he presents...but, I started to feel, uneasy and realized that we have many recent scholars working on all his ideas...he does pull things together well? All the informed, focused experts can’t all be ‘back in the time’...is what I think about!
Ohmigawd! An intellectual (anti-propagandistic) conversation! They could disagree in a very civil fashion. That was refreshing. A lot to digest, some of it over my head. I'm surprised this was broadcast by a Christian network.
Early on, Jordan used the "C" word: conditioning. Kudos to those of us rise above this. I liked how Susan describes how she first turned off on parapsychology for lack of evidence, than did the same for religion for the same reason.The other thing that came out of this for me is the notion that we are biological beings, impacted by our biologies. Again, kudos that we overcome this. "Undergird?" While we obviously would tend to side with Susan in this debate, I nonetheless find Jordan's remarks to be fascinating and would be interested in hearing his lectures (her's too!). No black and white here. But ultimately, he claims that, while we may define ourselves as atheist, we are ultimately driven by religion, which to me is the whole religion-owns-morality debate which I disagree with.
godef
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June 10, 2018
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Etre:
I truly believe jordon is a non-believer. I have seen hours of lectures. He is jung psychologically and nietzsche philosophically. He is well versed in biblical theology, he understands Archetype, and he knows about the Sumerians. He has to know the truth with his knowledge. You can not know about the Sumerians and Egyptians, ans believe in the judaic deity. He talks about Nietzsche and his God is Dead postulations. How it will disrupt the whole order and throw western civilization into chaos. He is a smart man, he is letting everyone down easy. steps. Nietche knew, he just put it all out there, because it shocked him when he put it all together. Jordon is building a large window of communication, he even states that atheism is a valid arguement. He is taking the middle path,taoist, and puting forth the facts vs argument, and providing a solution. Great Mind.
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