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“Do not judge, or you will be judged.”

Says Matthew in the Bible.

Do you agree that it is almost impossible NOT to make some sort of judgement as early as 15 seconds after meeting a new person or situation? 
I see science as the best way of refining judgements or finding out why you made the judgement in that way.

Mcflewster 7 June 24
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@Count Thank you for your link to medium.com and the writing of Zat Rana . On reading some of his other pieces I judge that he has another (Faith) agenda directed towards his personal improvements website and so has vested interest in proving science wrong
Everyone's experience of making judgments is bound to be personal and cannot really be helped by another person's experiences. This affects my view of science which I believe should be increasingly personal in nature - still working of course to get agreement across society but being guided by personal conclusions as on this site.

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Is have to agree with this, its almost impossible not to make judgements...

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Judgment is needed for survival and making the "correct" choices. You have to make judgments to put yourself in the best possible position in your environment. I don't judge personal preferences, unless they hurt others.

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we constantly evaluate our situation

btroje Level 9 June 24, 2018
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I agree that as a human it is impossible not to judge. It is how we are made. Science is a way to refine judgments but science also has been proven wrong.

Count Level 5 June 24, 2018

science being proven wrong is the nature of the science method. Never has all of science been proven wrong.. that is such a theist saying. You probably meant some scientific hypothesis has been invalid in certain fields but then refined until the facts fit better the hypothesis and observations.

@Lukian Good day sir. Kindly, I never stated "ALL" of science. A scientific hypothesis is the initial building block in the scientific method. Many describe it as an "educated guess," based on prior knowledge and observation. While this is true, the definition can be expanded.

This interesting article explains my statement in more detail. But you got the gist.

Why Science Is Wrong
In 1894, Albert Michelson predicted that there were no discoveries left to be made in physics.
He’s remembered as the first American to win the Nobel Prize in the field, and he wasn’t the only one to think so. In fact, this wasn’t too uncommon of a view among scientists at the time.
In the 500 years prior, spectacular advances had been made all around. Greats minds like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Faraday, and Maxwell had inspired new paradigms, and it appeared that, suddenly, we had quite a precise foundation concerning the laws of nature.
There was no doubt that we would continue to make progress, but it did appear that our calculations and theories were accurate enough that nothing substantial would occur.
And then everything changed. About a decade after that prediction, in 1905, an unknown man working as a patent clerk in Switzerland published what we now know as the Annus mirabilis papers. They are among the four most influential scientific articles ever written by anyone.
They answered questions we didn’t even realize we had, and they introduced many new ones.
They completely warped our view of space, time, mass, and energy, and they would later go on to provide the foundation for many of the revolutionary ideas formulated during the next half-century. The seeds for the Theory of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics — the two pillars of modern physics — were planted the day those papers made it into publication.
Within a year, Albert Einstein had completely shifted our entire understanding of the universe.

Everything Is an Approximation
At any given point in history, the majority of people have thought that they had it figured out.
By definition, if we label something a law or a theory, then we are assigning a boundary to our knowledge, and once this boundary becomes a part of our lives, and once it’s ingrained in us that this is what is true, it isn’t hard to see how we end up narrowing our assumptions.
If you took somebody from the 17th century and told them that, one day, we would be able to fly, that space and time are basically interchangeable, and that a cell-phone can do what it can do, there is an extreme likelihood that they would not have taken you very seriously at all.
The beauty and the curse of human knowledge are that it often doesn’t have to be completely right to be useful. That’s why, if it works, it’s hard for us to see why and how it might be wrong.
For example, when Einstein finalized the Theory of General Relativity, it disproved a lot of Newton’s work. It painted a more accurate picture of what was actually going on. That said, it doesn’t mean that Newton’s laws aren’t still highly usable and relevant to most activities.
Over time, we get closer and closer to the truth by being less wrong. We will likely never be completely right in our ability to understand the world. There is way too much complexity.
There is a chance that even the Theory of General Relativity and our take on Evolution will one day be viewed as being as elementary as we now see some of Newton’s work.
Science is always wrong, and assigning boundaries to what we think we know is how we limit the possibility of an advancing future. It’s worth being careful about how you define truth.
The Limits of Laboratories
Most of the time, the uncertainty of the scientific method is a strength. It’s how we self-correct.
That said, outside of hard physics and chemistry, this same strength is also a vice. This is particularly the case when it comes to economics, psychology, and the behavioral sciences.
These fields tend to observe behavior which is subjectively judged, and that leaves room for a lot of human error. In 2005, a Stanford professor, John Ioannidis, published a paper called Why Most Published Research Findings Are False, and one of the things it showed was that about 80 percent of small, non-randomized studies are later proven to be wrong.
Given that most research falls into this category and that the media sensationalizes any study that produces a good headline, it’s pretty evident why this is a problem. In fact, more recently, a replication crisis has spread to many long-held views which are also being questioned.
Even researchers have their own self-interests to look out for, and sometimes, even if they don’t, there are so many variables that can sway an observation one way or another that a single study on its own is a very loose metric to base a worldview on. Replicability matters.
To add to that, there is another less-talked-about caveat that comes with most research.
An experiment in a lab will never fully be able to recreate the conditions that arise in the complex and dynamic systems of the world. Reality is far messier than anything we can design.
Many experiments are either conducted in closed systems that don’t reflect the world or they rely on faulty models of complex phenomenon. Much of academia still underestimates how slight differences in initial conditions can lead to massive deviations in outcome.
Contrary to popular belief, science has its limitations, and we should be aware of them.
All You Need to Know
The scientific method is one of the most powerful tools humankind has ever invented.
It has directly and indirectly been responsible for guiding the advances we have seen in technology, and it has arguably saved more lives than any other human mechanism to date.
It’s a self-correcting process that has given us abilities that would have been treated like something out of a science-fiction movie only a few decades ago. The future we live in today is one that, throughout history, would have been inconceivable. We have come a long way.
That said, the scientific method is only as useful as our understanding and comprehension of it. Like anything, if you don’t treat it within the correct domain, then it ceases to retain value.
It’s essential, for example, to acknowledge that science is an approximation. Many of the laws and theories that we hold to be true could very well be proven quite wrong in the future. We are nowhere near the end of the road of discovery, and truth remains elusive.
To add to that, outside of a few core science subjects, a lot of the research is relatively weak. It’s difficult to not let the element of human bias slip into our observations in psychology and the behavioral sciences, and we also have to be careful about how we interpret results.
Using science to support and guide our efforts to better understand the world and ourselves is critical. It’s the best we have. That said, it’s important to look at the whole picture.
Science is indeed wrong, but if we know how and why, we can use it to its full potential.

Source: [medium.com]

@Count and I said it in one sentence: science being proven wrong is the nature of the science method.

@Lukian What did you think of the article?

Opinion piece written by somebody that thinks he knows science. Not all false but trying to make science weak.
Is it a coincidence that Charles H. Duell from the U.S. Commissioner of Patnets declared in 1899 "Everything that can be invented has been invented."? It was the pride of the time.
So how come when you say: Science is a way to refine judgments but science also has been proven wrong. That it should not be interpreted as ALL of science?

@Lukian Because there are some things that cannot be disputed. Death

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If you judge a person to be a beautiful child of the universe you will have judged correctly. If you see them as ugly, evil, or deficient you will have made a mistake—hopefully a mistake to be corrected at some point.

Of course the person might be a threat to be dealt with somehow, but that is another issue entirely. I love trees but if one is about to fall on me I’ll jump back.

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Judging as assessing V Judging as punishing

I think assessing people is absolutely fine.

Assessing is the act of gathering the evidence. Judging is the conclusion you reach -often not based on the evidence before you but your previous assessments and judgements.

@Mcflewster Would you say the punishments handed down by the judge are separate from the judging process?

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Everybody judges, in one way or another.

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Judgement is too much a fatal word for me. I just check boxes until I see a pattern.

Lukian Level 8 June 24, 2018
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As far as I'm aware, this verse is often taken in the wrong context. The (Aramaic?) word that is taken to mean "judge" is more correctly translated to mean "to condemn or hate". Don't hate someone in your heart. Don't condemn someone when you don't understand their burden.

The commandment "Thou shalt not kill is mistranslated in a similar manner - it should really be translated to "Thou shalt not murder" (or kill in hate).

Killing in war was ok, or killing your son even, if he started preaching a foreign religion.

A foreign ? You mean like the Jewish son of god starting his own ?

Guess that means torturing him on the cross (NEVER forget your safe word) is justified. 😉

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Do not judge and yet you will be judged anyway

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I agree. I tend to have an initial gut reaction to someone, which is usually proven correct. I hold off making any decisions until I've gathered factual information to support that initial reaction. As a social worker, it's important for me to be able to recognize people's strengths and weaknesses, as well as to detect bullshit. As Dr House says "Everyone lies".

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It is human nature to judge people. Some people are better at not passing judgement (or very little) onto other people.

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The true concept of diety based judgment seems to be lost on those who proclaim that they have read the bible. The same as their god’s instruction to “Love one another” is ignored in favour of the seemingly effortless, “I am doing god’s work in judging you”.

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We have to judge constantly.

Even to check that we can put weight on the foot that we have just moved forward.

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It is common to judge and evaluate a new person you meet or situation experienced for the first time. Self preservation is instinctive to determine friend or foe, safe or dangerous.

To judge a person or group and vilify them without knowledge or understanding is reckless and unfair.

Betty Level 7 June 24, 2018

If someone doesn't 'get' consent, having self-preservation red flags kicking in is a good thing. But sometimes you just don't like someone, and that sucks because you need to communicate that at some point.

@serns

In social situations where there is little to no time and/or emotion invested in the first meeting there is no need to communicate dislike, just mingle and move on. If time and emotions are invested then a conversation may be in order.

Thanks. Anything else I need to know, in case I decide to meet someone?

@serns

Have I offended you in some way?

@Betty Sorry, no offense was taken. Reading it again, I see how I could've come off as sarcastic. I was actually serious, since I haven't played much in the internet dating scene and am open to tips/advice.

@Betty PS good you asked, instead of just assuming I was a total jerk (I may be, but that's not proof).

@serns

Thank you for clearing that up. It shows you don't deserve the title "jerk". 🙂

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Unfortunately, I've run into a lot of Christians who take this to mean "do not judge anyone, only the Lord can judge," which is a load of crap. These same people also claim not to judge, which is another load of crap. We make all kinds of judgments about people on an ongoing basis, and to not do so seems unnatural, unrealistic, and... impractical.

bingst Level 8 June 24, 2018

I have the opposite experience. I see the Christians passing judgment on behaviours and of people all the time.

To me, deciding within seconds if a guy is a foe or potential friend (or if a girl is a psycho hose beast, a potential friend, or someone to flirt with), isn't the same as deciding that ALL Mexicans are rapists and murderers, or that someone down on their luck is deserving of contempt and not getting a tax break.

@jellyfish well, someone said Mexico isn't sending their best citizens (which could have fooled me, as I know so damn fine Mexicans whose immigration status I specifically avoided finding out about)

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