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"Religion must remain an outlet for people who say to themselves, 'I am not the kind of person I want to be'. It must never become an assemblage of the self-satisfied!" - Frank Herbert

I can often get along with the former, even though we disagree. I am implacably opposed to the latter, who sometimes seem to be the majority (or at least a noisy minority).

Strabo 6 July 17
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I have heard 100s of sermans. They are all about the same thing. "Be a better Christian" I am 66 years old, I am about as good a Christian as I am going to be. ActuaLLY i AM AN AGNOSTIC BUT i GO TO CHURCH WITH MY WIFE. My preacher and I have an agreement. I come to church and keep my mouth shut. I think it works for both of us.

Grecio Level 7 July 17, 2018
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“The very purpose of religion is to control yourself, not to criticize others. Rather, we must criticize ourselves. How much am I doing about my anger? About my attachment, about my hatred, about my pride, my jealousy? These are the things which we must check in daily life.” - Dalai Lama

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“I am not the kind of person I want to be” means
“I was born in sin. I am sinful and guilty. I need saving. God will punish me if I don’t believe and repent”. All that is ego-based mental manipulation having no basis in reality. Dwell on such thoughts and you’ll create hell for yourself, and it is unnecessary.

I am a miraculous extension of universal consciousness. My existence is a thing of beauty and mystery. Every second of conscious awareness is heaven.

There’s no such thing as sin. Each phase of my life was good and necessary. As I learn, my mistaken behavior patterns fall away. Guilt plays no part.

I’ll check into this Frank Herbert guy. Thanks for the post.

I think you've read a specifically Christian message into this where it doesn't exist. Herbert was a science fiction writer. There are many possible forms of personal growth that don't rely on the dogma of original sin.

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I'm just happy to see a Frank Herbert quote. I always thought he had a decent grasp on the effects of religion.

@moonmaid i have all 6 of the original novels and most of the ones written by his son and Kevin J Anderson. I'm a bit of a fan lol

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