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From Aeon on the Stoic philosophy of dealing with loss. Key takeaway: If your grief upon the loss of someone you hold dear is excessive, it is because you did not fully appreciate them while they were alive and recognize that any of us can be taken by the arrow of death at any time. Memento Mori.

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Mitch07102 8 Aug 24
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I think we all must confront grief in our way, maybe if we are lucky with close family members or friends with whom we can seek solace and share our emotions. I don't subscribe to the Stoic preventive lifestyle because I don't want to be told how to feel or not feel. I am what I am.

cava Level 7 Aug 25, 2018
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It would seem an impossible task to 'fully appreciate' anyone or anything, until confronted with the reality that the chance for further appreciation--in person, at least--is gone. And even then, 'full appreciation' is an ideal, that is never fully realized. Am I wrong?

I am one who believes that the agnostic author of Ecclesiastes was correct in stating that there is a time, or season, to mourn. And when we do mourn for the loss of one dear, it isn't a sign that we failed to fully appreciate them, rather, we mourn what their absence means, in terms of a lost future. No more interactions, conversations, hugs, smiles, exchanges, and so many other opportunities, now lost to all who knew, or might have known, the departed, not to mention the individual him/herself.

It seems to me that religions and philosophies that seek to confine, redefine or diminish emotions, often do so without recognizing the value of our broad spectrum of feelings, both at the individual and group level. Rather than attempting to become Vulcans, let us better understand how and why we emote, and seek to balance rather than to suppress.

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Well define "excessive". I think grief naturally resolves, even with major losses, typically within a couple of years -- at least enough for a person to "let go / move on". "Excessive" to me has always been canonically represented to me by a woman who was going on day after day, wailing about the loss of her husband on a grief forum, and I was surprised that so few people were being supportive ... until I realized she had been doing that on the forum for years. She was stuck in one of the initial stages of grief, the one that comes right after the numbing shock, where you are inconsolable. That portion of the grief process is generally over within 2 to 6 months -- while grief can still be profound beyond that point, you at least begin to have some level of emotional equilibrium coming back.

Unresolved grief like that, strikes me as the product of over-dependence on the deceased and on various forms of rigid thinking.

I will say that the death of my son two years ago this month was purer, more intense, but less complicated and more cleanly resolved, than was the grief of earlier losses (wife, brother, mother) to "other than natural causes" because it's the first such experience I had entirely outside the influence or even residual influence of theism. All the useless, angsty questions that theists ask themselves and each other trying to understand "god's will" or reconciling god's goodness with tragedy and suffering, were absent, and I'm certain I got back on my feet proportionally sooner for not having to deal with all that useless nonsense.

I was, as the article suggests, mentally prepared for never seeing my son again before he died. I left nothing undone or unsaid between us. I have no regrets. And I did not feel cheated or punished when he died. It still hurt, big time ... but it was not personal and beyond the pale. This is probably the idea about grieving that stoicism is trying to get across.

All that said, my son's death forever changed me and diminished me and it's just another 800 pound gorilla in my mental closet. It may be accepted and integrated, but it's not inconsequential, either.

Sorry for your loss. I experienced it as well. Amor Fati.

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I wonder how they define excessive.

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