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Compassion vs Dogma

evestrat 8 Jan 22

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Compassion... for all...

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If a hypocritical Christian says something contradictory in the forest, does it make a sound? 😀

@evestrat It is a tricky one. lol

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Controductury for sure. I think the ebola virus was a great example not sure of the exact date back in the early 1980's ebola had come to the states the panic back then wasn't half as bad it was with the most recent one was.

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Nor sure why but it reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw, "My Karma ran over your Dogma"

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Humans have lost their humanity and its all humans, believers and non believers.

Lost? Are you suggesting that tribalism and Othering are recent phenomena.

@VictoriaNotes not at all. Tribalism and Othering has always existed but in my 46 years of existence, society looses more compassion each generation.

@VictoriaNotes @twshield I have been itching to use these, from the book "Arrogance of Humanism" by David Eherfeld. "The ultimate irony of humanism is that has produced such a viciously inhuman world". And: Our civilization his coming to equate the value of life with the mere avoidance of death".

When the book was written the Earth had 5 billion humans; now there are over 7 billion. That should be a clear indication of our increased loss of compassion.

@JackPedigo As a woman, there's no way in hell I'd want to live in any other time in history than now. While we still have some ways to go, women, for the most part, are no longer considered subhuman and property of men in most countries. Children have human rights now. Many of Eherfeld's critics, such as sociologist Robert Bierstedt, argue that his literature contains a pessimistic connotation and that he speaks through sermons in his writings. Critics also claim that Ehrenfeld's literature presents a bleak future and tends to focus more on the negative aspects of society towards the environment. I also find it ironic that you are a member of the Humanist Association and are simultaneously dogging humanism.

@twshield In my 60 years, I have found that humans have gained more compassion. You're a black man. I'm a woman. Think about that for a minute. Would you rather go back to the times when we both were devalued significantly more and considered property?

@VictoriaNotes You are looking at things from an American perspective which is a very small part of the worlds population. Although your eyes tell you I am Black, I am actually Canadian and about 1/4 Kenyan Heritage.Is it the people who are more compassionate or is it a result of laws put in place to prevent the things you mentioned?

@twshield Who is responsible for those laws? The non-compassionate?

@VictoriaNotes the ones responsible for the laws don't represent society as a whole.
The one takeaway you can get from the Trump administration is This: All that progress you are referring to, is now being overshadowed by how people really feel in America.

@VictoriaNotes before video games and violence in movies and tv, people were more compassionate but that has changed.

@twshield I respectfully disagree. We have a negativity bias and so we tend to focus far more on the negative than the positive.

"The negativity bias, also known as the negativity effect, refers to the notion that, even when of equal intensity, things of a more negative nature (e.g. unpleasant thoughts, emotions, or social interactions; harmful/traumatic events) have a greater effect on one's psychological state and processes than do neutral or positive things.

In other words, something very positive will generally have less of an impact on a person's behavior and cognition than something equally emotional but negative."

[en.wikipedia.org]

Studies also show that the negativity bias has also been observed in babies. The media knows this which is why there's more financial profit in publishing negative news.

@VictoriaNotes well we can agree to disagree 🙂

@VictoriaNotes Thank you for the critique. Being held accountable helps me look deeper in my comments and often see them from another's viewpoint.It is what "open" dialogue should be about.

I agree with you on women of today and say that also applies to others as well (LGBT, transsexuals and other heretofore downtrodden groups).

That book was the first book I read after leaving the church. It helped me a lot in getting to where I am today. That said I know little of his background and can understand the negativity part. However, lots of things have negative connotations and overpopulation is one of the worst. People hear "Doom and Gloom" and seek "Smile and Denial" (my counter is that people purchase a ticket to Egypt so they can bury their heads in the sands of de nial). I put together my adage (which I think you saw) as Know and Grow. If we let negative things put us off we will not go forward.

The word humanism has been replaced by anthropocentrism. David Hume said "Man was to be understood scientifically, that is naturalistically, independently of vulgar anthropocentric prejudices and of the dictates of faith". The March/April Issue of "the Humanist" [thehumanist.com] was titled "When Human in Humanism isn't enough". That one issue was a revelation to me. Parvin's favorite poem, which I read at her memorial, was "Born Again" by Demaris Gaunt. Also, a letter I wrote and got published in the mag. mentioned how they were backtracking on their own tenets. Question everything, one another and especially oneself. I will not subscribe to the idea, my tribe right or wrong.

Our conversations on Anthropocentrism have given me a lot of thought. I think there is a difference in group think versus personal, self-esteem issues. I am not dogging Humanism, I just see it in a different light than some. This group along with FFRF are in my will.

@JackPedigo Thank you for your comment. Studies show that when women are not suppressed, have access to birth control and education, and have equality, the population growth levels out or decrease. You see this in the Nordic countries, for example. Humanism is getting a bad rap. Most religions are highly anthropocentric, believing they are the center of the universe, but it's still taboo to discuss this in the mainstream.

@JackPedigo And cultures that worship hypermasculinity.

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I draw the line at compassion for everyone. Should we have compassion for the genocidal dictators or people like tRump?

I think we also must separate compassion from pity.

Well I feel for people like trump who suffer from narcistic personality disorder. But I don't know if that is pity or compassion.

@TommyMeador Should we have compassion for the few or the many that are often seriously affected by the few?

Why not both. They both suffer.

@TommyMeador I will never have compassion for the few that bring misery to the many. The Trumps of the world deserve everything they give and more!

You obviously believe in free will. I don't. Trump is a sick man. His sickness causes him to do things that hurt people. It is not his fault that fate dealt him that hand. There are a lot of sick people who voted for him. They aren't responsible for being sick. That's just what fate dealt them. I feel sorry for the whole lot of them. I also feel sorry for myself and all the other people who have to put up with this foolishness.

@TommyMeador A lot of people are dealt bad hands but manage to overcome it. I believe in knowledge and responsibility. When you hurt others especially on a grand scale you deserve only punishment. The compassion should be saved for the victims. To me compassion is just another way of letting people get away with things they shouldn't.

A former long time relationship was an alcoholic. Learning about my enabling tendencies was the only way I could help me help myself when she got drunk and did bad things. It taught me to held her responsible and not do things that would let her off the hook for her actions. It taught me to have have more compassion for myself than someone I loved! To do otherwise only made matters worse.

Certainly love yourself first and foremost. Being an enabler only makes the problem worse and is not wise compassion. We all need to suffer the fruits of our own actions. That is how nature teaches us. The victims of a disease, such as alcoholism, are victims too. I am an alcoholic, sober 50 years. I was dealt a bad hand but was fortunate enough to later be dealt some better cards, in the form of a good mentor. I do not take credit for my recovery. I was fortunate enough to receive some good information. I am grateful for my recovery and try to pass on that good information that saved me.

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