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I don't believe the worst of male misogynistic behavior will be much changed by anticipating a mid-life epiphany among adult males. It flies in the face of their conditioning. Their behavior is largely entrenched as boys by interactions and observations in their families, their churches, their schools, in sports, on the job, and in the military. Boys are taught to suppress emotions like empathy and sensitivity to others. They are encouraged to be forceful, direct and physically threatening. Gender bias is obvious from a boy's earliest remembrances and through adolescence. We tell them to be brave, don't cry, defend yourself forcefully, act like a man (not a girlie-boy) and pursue women with annoying persistence.

That is our social norm. And neither adult men nor women or the institutions they support are doing much to make the boy a compassionate and considerate man. Good guys aren't born. They are guided always and held to higher standards by all persons of influence.

I know a lot of good guys. They exist. I've met a number of really shitty boys and men.

Mamas (and daddies) don't let your babies grow up to be assholes. If you aren't the solution then you are the problem.

marcp52 4 Sep 18
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Exactly. That's why bringing about the end of patriarchal society has so much to offer men, as well as women.

Jnei Level 8 Sep 19, 2018
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some of the problem is the repression you mention, but a good deal of it is their perpetual inundation with the idea that women are things, prizes to be won, or stolen, not people. even a good pair of parents can't counter that completely. women in power can.

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Empowered women are more likely than men to positively alter the worst behavior of adult men. Agreed. But intervening with adult males to overcome entrenched and lifelong conditioning may only restrain them from overt misogyny. I believe the attitude of male entitlement begins in childhood and parents (and high-prestige adults) are fundamentally responsible for the outcome.

@marcp52 it begins in childhood but with women in power, the child has a chance to 1. have parents who are affected by women in power and 2. have outside influences that counterbalance bad parenting to SOME extent and reinforce the idea that at least outside that particular home men and woman and boys and girls can and should be equal. it's not either/or. as for the entrenched, good, restrain them. restrained, they set less of an example (and cause less trouble).

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