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I have something of a dilemma that I've been chewing on for the past few months. It's not a new one -in fact, it's one I'm sure people have debated since forever- but it's taken a new face for me recently. It's the age old question of whether you can separate the artist from the individual.
The classic examples for the longest time have included Woody Allen, Michael Jackson, R. Kelly (if you're into that kind of thing), and the biggest one in the recent past, Harvey Weinstein. I'm sure one could come up with a host of others, so I'll move on.
I'm not much of a film buff. I wouldn't, except under rate circumstances, be able to identify a movie by it's producers, directors, or what have you, so Allen and Weinstein have little relevance for me. R. Kelly became extremely cringe-worthy to me following his whole series of debacles; I can't listen to him now without simultaneously laughing and shuddering. I admittedly struggled with Michael Jackson, but it became somewhat moot after his death.
The one I'm currently conflicted over is Nas (don't worry if you're not familiar with him as that's not the point). Nas was one of my favorite rappers and in many circles is posited as one of the greatest of all time. In 2010, he and his then wife Kelis (singer) divorced. It happened somewhat quietly in that neither one said much about it publicly, giving at least the appearance of, if not amicability, then mutuality.
Earlier this year however, Kelis came out publicly with accounts of his abusive behavior (excessive drinking, physical abuse, cheating, etc.). His lack of response to the allegations, and his silent complicity with regard to his fans' attacks on her only further solidified his guilt as well as his lack of accountability in my eyes. One of my heroes since childhood had fallen.
Now, unlike with R. Kelly, I haven't stopped LIKING Nas's music. My opinion of the music hasn't changed much. But I HAVE stopped listening to it. Whenever he comes up in my shuffle, I skip him. I refuse to buy anything new from him, but I have not deleted the music that I already owned prior either. I still struggle with this one.
Anyone have a similar conflict when it comes to an artist or public persona that you admire?

ghettophilosopher 7 Sep 20
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Out of all the people in the spotlight who've fallen, Woody Allen and Bill Cosby have been the biggest disappointments for me because I always loved their work the most. The others I'm disappointed in as well, but they haven't had as much of a personal impact. Especially for Woody Allen, Annie Hall and Hannah and Her Sisters have always been on my list of favorite films; they still are, especially since they were made way before the scandals. But I can't help but feel sadness now connected with anything Woody Allen has done.

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I think the a work of art is separate from the artist and that it ought to be appreciated as such. That being said I see no reason why I ought to support a person whose actions are immorally/criminal. So while I can appreciate a work of art by such a person, I would not provide any direct monetary support which might enable their further criminal acts.
Once they are dead, this all changes.

cava Level 7 Sep 21, 2018
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The answer is "it depends" on the individual. For me, Bill Cosby is such a loss. I adored his work. Saw him do a show in person. I used to watch his movie "Himself" at least once a year. Now I don't watch it at all. It actually saddens me. Al Franken on the other hand "may" come back as it appears that his transgressions aren't bad enough to have him ruined for life. I don't know.
When I want to watch a movie, I don't care who the producer was. I never look at that. If I like the movie.......... that's enough for me. (So I suppose you could say I've given Winestein a break)

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Yup. I quit watching ALL Woody Allen movies. Yet I still listen to Michael Jackson, since pedophile allegations are still unproven. I also kept watching a few stand up comedians about whom I'd heard sexual harassment rumors, because the accounts were vague.

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That is an excellent thought provoking question, that I think many of us have struggled with. It is hard not to tie people to their deeds. As humans, we do so consciously and unconsciously. Could you stay friends with a person convicted of being a pedophile? I would say no. A killer? Depends. A drug dealer? Probably. I suppose it depends on the nature of the beast. Like you, I simply have a hard time listening to some artists. MJ was a great musical talent, and I will admit that, and place him in the top 50 or so artists of the modern era, but I no longer listen. And he and I were of a similar age, so I have listened a long time.

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