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“Some theists, observing that all ‘effects’ need a cause, assert that God is a cause but not an effect. But no one has ever observed an uncaused cause, and simply inventing one merely assumes what the argument wishes to prove.”

— Dan Barker

gpspirit34009 5 Oct 21
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theists make all kinds of observations of things that cannot be observed because they are not real or true. if we spend all our time countering those so-called observations, we may not have time to live our lives.

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Quantum physics has it that events are random and don’t need causes. “Indeterminacy” is their word. Current theories of quantum gravity hold that time does not exist.

With that in mind, the idea of creation appears as meaningless. The nature of underlying Ultimate Reality is staggeringly unknowable in terms of our human based model of matter moving through space and time.

Nothing will come of the argument—no one knows what they are arguing about.

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