@David_Cooper The Bible also curses anyone who changes "so much as one jot or tittle" in the text (those being essentially what we'd call dotting i's and crossing t's), as well as stridently condemning anyone who teaches "heresy". I'm curious how Mohammed managed to top that.

It seems to me that your typical Muslim citizen here in the US (demographically different from how many of them are in Europe, they are actually better educated, wealthier and more law abiding than the average US citizen) just do what liberal Christians do, they ignore inconvenient commands and cherry pick what they're going to observe. But for that to happen in Christendom, the hegemony of more dogmatic sentiments had to be broken. And if Christian fundies continue to gain ground in the US, they will intimidate or even abuse the liberals into line or at least into silence, and then will accordingly run amok. I still see nothing inherent in Islam that dictates there can be no such thing as a moderate or liberal Muslim, anymore than I see anything inherent in Christianity that there will always be moderate or liberal Christians. Look no further than Uganda and Kenya for examples of what Christianity can devolve into in modern times.

Regardless, we must oppose extremists of whatever stripe, without painting moderates of each stripe with the same brush. Yeah there's a sense in which we unbelievers oppose Christianity or religion generally here in the US and not just Christian fundamentalism, because any ideology divorced from evidential supports will tend to become fundamentalist. However ... neither do I see all believers as fundies and I think that just leads to more fascistic thinking, the very thing we fault them for. We cannot write off whole groups of people as "less than".

@David_Cooper I'd feel more like you about it if I lived in your part of the world. As I said, here in the US, we have mostly educated middle and upper class Muslims. Two Muslim women just won seats in Congress tonight. It's hard to radicalize successful, upwardly-mobile people, even in 'Murica.

Also in contrast to your situation, fundamentalist Christians are not a dying breed here, so they are a far greater threat than fundamentalist Muslims. The speed with which things are turning to shit here is breathtaking and, frankly, terrifying. In just two years under Trump we have concentration camps on the borders, talk of shooting unarmed refugees, and lately claims that Trump's opponents are fomenting violent rebellion; we've lost our leadership and credibility in the world, and embolden tyrants.

I actually think fundies are a dying breed in the long run, but am now fairly certain we're heading for a painful and possibly lengthy dystopian sideshow where they will try to pull us all down with them. Even though in the end such ideologies are unsustainable, they are and will remain very dangerous for some time to come.