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I would like to have a fact based rational discussion about the Christian Bible and religion in general.

FackBasedReason 3 Nov 14
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Firstly, remember that Rationality and Religion have never had anything in common.

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From the Catholic Encyclopedia...
[newadvent.org]

The African bishops willingly allowed corrections to be made in a copy of the Sacred Scriptures, or even a reference, when necessary, to the Greek text. With some exceptions, it was the Septuagint text that prevailed, for the Old Testament, until the fourth century. In the case of the New, the manuscripts were of the western type. (See Bible, Canon.) On this basis there arose a variety of translations and interpretations. This well-established fact as to the existence of a number of versions of the Bible in Africa does not imply, however, that there was no one version more widely used and more generally received than the rest, i.e. the version which is found nearly complete in the works of St. Cyprian. Yet even this version was not without rivals. Apart from the discrepancies to be found in two quotations of the same text in the works of two different authors, and sometimes of the same author, we now know that of several books of Scripture there were versions wholly independent of each other. No fewer than three different versions of Daniel are to be found in use in Africa during the third century; in the middle of the fourth, the Donatist Tychonius uses and collates two versions of the Apocalypse.

The Bible we can read has been corrupted from long ago

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From the Catholic Encyclopedia...
[newadvent.org]
No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author--all have been in some way altered. The material conditions under which a book was spread before the invention of printing (1440), the little care of the copyists, correctors, and glossators for the text, so different from the desire of accuracy exhibited today, explain sufficiently the divergences we find between various manuscripts of the same work. To these causes may be added, in regard to the Scriptures, exegetical difficulties and dogmatical controversies. To exempt the scared writings from ordinary conditions a very special providence would have been necessary, and it has not been the will of God to exercise this providence. More than 150,000 different readings have been found in the older witnesses to the text of the New Testament--which in itself is a proof that Scriptures are not the only, nor the principal, means of revelation.

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Sure. What’s on your mind?

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Good luck. Theists, don;t' really grasp or under stand the idea of "fact based", and atheists just generally aren't interested in the subject matter.

As a believer, I think a lot of followers of the Christian Bible can’t or won’t separate their belief in the Bible as it supports his or her faith and it’s accuracy or value as a historical document or record.

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You don’t need permission. If you have a point of view, share it. Discussion will likely follow. Rationality cannot be guaranteed, however.

skado Level 9 Nov 14, 2018
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