@Veteran229 Judging from what ex-employees and others around him are saying, he never even made a good CEO...a leader is a leader in almost any setting...he is just not a leader or a team player...he is the my way or the highway kinda boss we all hated and that no one practices that old style management style anymore...he is passe...

@Veteran229 That is probably true of many in the manufacturing industry, which is one reason why it is on the decline...CEO's of many progressive companies are way better and have innovative ideas and ways to motivate and care for the employees...companies like mine...I love working and will hate to retire.

I’m indifferent if we have to use a label.
He’s just a man who somehow was elected President and he’s vile, and ignorant but so far he’s only hurt himself and honestly from everything that I’ve heard about him even before the election he doesn’t care if you like him or not and actually thrives off of people hating him so why give him energy.

He’s on his way out either by surrender or impeachment and then it’ll be the church’s turn to fuck things up and hopefully people can regain their focus and intelligence and choose a better option to lead the “ whole “ country and a party or satisfy their own agenda but OUR country.

@48thRonin so far he's only hurt himself? Tell that to the people affected by his economic policies. Sooner or later his debt will hurt a lot of people. Hopefully, a more progressive President will direct that pain to the rich, like tax increases and the end of perks. I think of that book written about Trump called something like Everything Trump Touches Dies, or similar. I hope that doesn't include the USA.

@48thRonin " from everything that I’ve heard about him even before the election he doesn’t care if you like him"

• That is the exact opposite of what I have heard.
  I am not trying to start an argument, I have only hearsay.
  I don't know for sure whether he keeps exaggerating the number of people who cheers for him in crowds, says about foreign leaders "I like him, I hope he likes me" "he said something very nice about me so I like him", or defines non-republicans as 'people who are not fans of Donald trump' or 'Hilary fans' (as if it has only to do with fandom who people vote for) or has twitter feuds with anyone who says anything critical of him.

I don't follow all that, but Trump has - through others - always struck me as a person desperate to be liked.

@MLinoge You make a real good point but I’d replace the word like with celebrated.
But that as well is just an opinion

@David1955 Yes his economic strategy will hurt us but we’ve survived a few of those already.

@48thRonin apparently you don't care about the u.s. standing in the world? Of course that would be being a team player. The rule of law is also of no consequence apparently. Changing the environmental policies and ignoring climate change only hurts him? Tear gassing children in another country and separating children from families only hurts him? Willful blindness or willful ignorance? Maybe you can give me an example of what it would take for you to think he hurt something or someone else

@lerlo Actually you’re kinda right I don’t care about our standing in the world. It’s not like we haven’t bombing, droning, children all over the for the past 60 years, we have been found responsible for sponsoring the “ Rebels “ in Syria that used a nerve against a neighborhood to produce false propaganda against Assad. Congresswoman/Army Captain Tulsi Gabbard proved that.

Then we can talk about the forced regime changes to include Guatemala which has caused the unnecessary fluxes of immigrants “ globally “ just so we can keep other countries from uniting and creating a challenge to our so called economic superiority.
Oh yeah did I mention our imperialistic behavior or do you consider having our troops in over 85% of the world playing.

Honestly I could go on for days with the hypocrisy that you’ve confronted me with but I have recognized that somehow our history apparently stopped the day trump took office but no we’ve personally destroyed more than we created and that’s including our own country.

Seriously if you think that people who didn’t need to walk to our border damn sure didn’t need to run towards a border gate with their children in front of them after they were warned and promised to be taken care of by the Mexican government while they could be processed.

Oh and the hypocrisy where were most of you social warriors when OUR own native people were fighting hired goons, law enforcement and even the national guard during the Dakota pipeline protest?
I was at the Sanders HQ in Richmond Virginia helping box up supplies and calling people so that they would pressure their government representatives and the Media to get involved.

Whatever dude I’m sorry that I don’t sit around all day pissing and moaning the Clintons friend becoming president. ? Done

@48thRonin was there an answer somewhere in there to Trump having hurt no one but himself? Have you considered living in another country or would you not care about that country either? You just seem to sit around all day just pissing and moaning

@lerlo No sir I have to point that apparently we have a different belief in what being hurt is and that by your response we also have no history before November 2016.
So good day sir

@48thRonin you're right, our allies have never respected us or relied on us. And yes, one of us understands what hurt is and one is oblivious. As for hurting himself, the Constitution's Emoluments Clause, disagrees with you too, but then again every president's business interests have been satisfied while they were president in your history class right? You certainly have learned the Fox News spin when dealing with an issue you can't defend.

@lerlo Nice try I don’t watch any American news because it’s all biased propaganda so go ahead and spin your web because I’m not a fly.

And as far as where and how I learned about politics it was from working on the campaigns of both Chuck Robb and Doug Wilder as well as President Obama and Bernie Sanders.

So please tell me all about my republican self ?

@48thRonin You're great at the spin--yes working on two campaigns certainly provides your expertise in knowing when someone is hurt--I'm sure you've been tear gassed and know that doesn't hurt but is justified if you're running toward a border...and you ducked all my points, like the Emoluments Clause because you haven't or can't read it, still haven't said how Trump hurt himself or how he could possibly hurt anyone else, since apparently, in your eyes, he can't . You've ducked all my points but think your theme of "no history since trump was elected" serves to answer all questions and somewhere I called you a republican--you play the victim well but like many here make assertions you can't back up. You've also bought into the fake news rant since all American news is not for you...and about living in another country, another issue you ducked...

@lerlo Ok dude you’re right I’m going now have a beer or glass of wine and a good life ✌?

"Conservative Atheists"

I’m a free and independent thinker?

@48thRonin I'm a registered Independent myself, while I do lean to the right my overall views would best align with that of the Libertarians.

@48thRonin Congrats! You have earned this!

@Xena Look at you being clever ????

@48thRonin Thank you so much!

@Xena No thank you ?