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On immigration. Remember- there were uninvited immigrants who raped the populace and stole from them. Today we call them founding fathers.

Beowulfsfriend 9 Jan 3
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And they're revered because they were white

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This is complete nonsense - you'll receive a few likes and a few rounds of applause but for the most part - aside from some treaty violations it's nonsense. You can't use 21st century perspectives to judge people from the 15th century. It's not enough to just be the first - you also have to protect it. That's how things were done back then and a ton of people from both sides did things that we would be considered abhorrent today.

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I could make a case that not all were rapists and murderers. Hamilton showed great ethical intentions for the nation, others, like Franklin, that may have owned slaves not only regretted it but apologized and freed them. Jefferson I believe did not have the strength of his own "beliefs". None, even the best, were perfect, the Constitution is not perfect nor is our government. But we try.

Franklin didn't own slaves. Hamilton moved from the Caribbean.

@Beowulfsfriend Franklin owned 2 slaves, one left him in England, the other he manumitted. Hamilton was an abolitionist from the beginning. He was Washington's aide de camp and first Sec of the Treasury. Probably our greatest forefather.

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Hero or villain is decided by the viewpoint from which you see.

I think we can all agree people like Hitler was a villain, FDR was a decent person. At some point in time society must make judgement, the individual resides in society.

@clarkatticus okay; but in response to this post, are the founding fathers heroes or villains?

@Lillyfield41 I think we put some (like Jefferson) on a pedestal he doesn't belong on, I feel he was average at best, neither hero nor villain. Others, like Hamilton, Adams, we're heros. Truth is, we were lucky, at the convention there were enough men of conscience to strike a document of exceptional prescience, although not perfect. Too bad no women had input.

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You're not being fair. They were white. Everybody knows there are different rules for white people. Especially the wealthy ones.
When wealthy whites do it, it's called "civilizing the heathen".

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Well, let's not promote the "immigrants are rapists and thieves" lie being used to divide humanity.

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And murdered too, don't forget.

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