What is good and bad and for whom is it good and bad?

Xians don't do anything that secularists don't do and non-believers do it without trying to spread all that Jebus shit around.

XIAN
"Thank you for helping me find my lost dog."
"You're welcome. That good Lord above guided us in the right direction. Have you heard the Word of the Lord?"

SECULAR
"Thank you for helping me find my lost dog."
"You're welcome."

Yes. Religion does a lot of good merely because it's ubiquitous and a primary platform for belonging and community. Some people and some communities do a lot of good, sometimes more good than harm. Others do not.

It's also the same thing as a tobacco company pointing to its charitable giving or an exploitive diamond mine pointing to the joy of all the young ladies gifted with their wares.

Yep. All the charitable works in the world aren't going to make the skeletons in the closet go away. Until the church addresses it's own issues, they'll all just sit there festering like an infected, untreated ass boil.

The answer is simply.
Even if the churches did only good, awesome, moral etc things.
This does not prove god is real.
You can have a club of people doing good things that does not claim some unveriafiable truth...

It's one of the worst defences of religion I hear. Churches "do a lot of good." I retort sharply: "Well then, do genuine good, spare us the Bronze Age mumbo jumbo, and clean up your act." It's pointless of course. The "good" is a ruse, a cover. Reminds me of gangsters like Al Capone, who used to give money to the poor and help people, letting everyone know it. All the time he was peddling bad booze, running brothels and protection rackets, not to mention murder to the point of mass slaughter. Won't do.

There is no acceptable rationale for pedophilia.....the church should pull its head out of its collective ass and start ex communicating any priest that is proven to engage in those practices. Should be a zero-tolerance policy....