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Have you ever expressed an opinion or stated something that proved highly unpopular? Maybe you saw something or came across a fling with a controversial subject? Whatever the case, you faced almost immediate ostracism and learned the hard way not to shock them again.

For me, I find some of the books I have read to not match their reputations or have an unjustified suspicion. Examples: Malthusian economics, Adolf Hitler autobiography, school aptitude and intelligence testing, history cycles by toynbee, cultural development levels, and even the doors of perception and heaven and hell by Aldous Huxley. There are a few topics that certainly give funny looks when mentioned out loud.

loudshirt 5 Jan 12
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I was the treasurer of a Unitarian church and had to tell the members they had to give more every Sunday or we would not be able to pay our bills. When I left the church we had a savings account of $100,000 plus.

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(you think hitler is going to give himself a bad reputation?)

i was placed into a feminist facebook group without my permission and when i went to check it out, i thought about whether or not to stay in it. i mean, i am a feminist, but not everyone who (or everything that) called herself a feminist actually is what i consider one. a lot of so-called feminists backpedal quite a bit, and they have no idea they're doing so because they take so much for granted for which i and my peers actually had to fight. so i checked it out.

while i was considering whether or not to stay, i saw a meme showing a picture of adele and quoting her as saying something about being yourself, not caring what others think of you, etc. the picture showed adele wearing a ton of makeup, dressed to the nines, looking very much the opposite of what the meme was apparently trying to say. now, i have no feelings about adele at all. i don't hate her music, i don't enjoy it, i barely know it. i won't knock her and i won't go out and buy her stuff either. i don't care about adele, no offense to adele. she does nothing for or to me, positive or negative. i happen to enjoy many kinds of music and whatever you call what she does isn't among those kinds. it's not a reflection on her. i can't emphasize enough that i have no reason whatsoever to put adele down just because i don't happen to be a fan. it is with this attitude that i pointed out the discrepancy between the words of the meme and the picture the mememaker had chosen to illustrate it. adele didn't make the meme. my comment wasn't about her. it was about the meme.

i was treated as if i had said i ate christian babies for lunch (they're awfully hard to digest first thing in the morning). i was told i was a horrible person for putting adele down (i had done no such thing, and had gone out of my way to say that adele was not to blame for the meme), i should really try listening to her music (that had WHAT to do with the meme?) and that i was closed-minded, nonfeminist, you name it. i was a nazi because i noticed that the mememaker had chosen the exact wrong picture to illustrate adele's words. not a single person defended me. i was roundly attacked.

since i hadn't chosen that group to begin with and had not yet decided whether to stay, i decided to leave, and said so, and said why.

the owner of the group pm'd me and begged me to stay. she was friendly and apologetic. we began to chat regularly about other things. she was a little taken aback that i had no interest in becoming a vegan, but she got over it. not long after that, though, she tried to rope me into some conspiracy theory. i forget, now, which one. was it chemtrails? the twin towers imploded on their own or were blown up by whomever but not planes? was it fema death camps? i can't remember. it was something ridiculous. i told her gently i was not interested. she started railing at me as if i had told her.... wait, we did the christian babies for lunch thing already. you get the idea. i had to block her. she was bonkers, not quietly bonkers but scream her head off bonkers.

so yeah. i've had that experience.

by the way, i like huxley. but don't believe everything adolf says about himself (or anything). read, by all means, but know the facts, too.

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Reading opposing ideas is the only way to formulate a solid concept of your own. Otherwise you're just learning to be a parrot.

In case you are worried about it.
So good news about Malthusian Economics he didn't account for the reduced birth rate of more developed countries or that technology could aid in the growth of food production.

I'm in the minority of stances of some really politically charged debates.

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The slightest hint that you are not in full agreement with the climate change mantra will bring down upon you much wrath and fury. The slightest variation in established dogma will get you clobbered by true believers. Many of them have called for jailing of the apostates while a few advocate summary execution.

The only reason I dare write this is that most of my life is over anyway.

Global Warming is real however,
How much humans contributed to is a good question (No definitive answer).
Is there a limit to the effect CO2 Has as a greenhouse gas (aka is it linear)
Is Global Warming net bad for?
If we run out of gasoline in 25 years and coal in 55 how is the net co2 levels still rising in models for 100 years?

Those questions start fights. That's scary because those are critical questions.

@Biosteelman Without question the planet has been hotter and colder than it has ever gotten in the short span that we have been measuring these things. Humans have only been mapping the flow and currents of the oceans for less than 100 years. That is a miniscule amount of time.

Either way, the planet will be fine until its not, anyhow. We may not be, but our extinction is more probable than not anyway. We will need to learn to move this planet around and recreate the conditions of the sun in order to save this planet. Either that or we will need to learn to control our host star, as well as stars close enough to destroy our solar system (about five of them), or move enough of our species to another habital planet.

It will prove fatal to our species if we stymie innovation.

Yes, catastrophic anthropomorphic global warming is nonsense, but telling that to true believers in the eco-religion will get you nowhere. Before CAGW was the new ice age scare of the 1970s. [populartechnology.net] People like to worry about something. Right now there does seem to be sound scientific reasons to think that climate may get much colder soon due to very low sunspot activity. More CO2 in the atmosphere will help plants grow, so perhaps mankind would benefit from carbon subsidies instead of carbon taxes.

@BryanLV I love the double dubious talk of making a statement without stating an opinion. It is good to be among the Agnostic.
I'm gonna go on a limb and say 4 degrees of warming is beneficial. Only based on the amount of life and biodiversity that existed in every warmer climate in the history of the Earth, and greatest biodiversity and density exists in warm wet climates on Earth. The fair question is climate changing faster than adaption and migration can occur?<<science should be focusing on solving that issue.

@Biosteelman

I don't know. We are still learning how the Sun, geo-thermal activity and even our own behavior effect our environment in the first place. Also, to what degree. It seems that we know much more than we did not long ago, but still not enough to conclude what many feel is already clear cut from their perspective.

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"you faced almost immediate ostracism and learned the hard way not to shock them again."

Are you kidding? Anyone who would change their ethics or be "quiet" so as not to upset the apple cart is weak-willed and weak-minded.

Try being an Anti-Natalist, Libertarian, Atheist Vegan....

Reading some unpopular or mis-judged books is child's play.

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Good for them to get shaken up a bit! I am fully capable of "defending" or even promoting, any idea I choose to throw out ghere....they'll get over it, or not.....

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