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The Brussels-dictated Withdrawal Agreement has been soundly rejected by British parliament. There might be some hope for Britain to free itself from the E.U. globalist autocracy.

PBuck0145 7 Jan 15
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Or get fucked by it's neighbors could go either way

Possibly, but it's better for Britain, not the European Commission, to specify the rules for the fucking.

@PBuck0145 You are quoting a fascist.

@AlexRam To the regressive leftists, all patriots are fascists.

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Much, much more education needed for you there.

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You are speaking without any direct knowledge of the situation...never a good idea! It was not a Brussels dictat and I would love to know where you are garnering your information from. To have such a catastrophic thing as leaving the EU happen on such a small margin as 4% is ridiculous. We were lied to by the Brexiteers and the fears of immigration were exaggerated, the Little Englanders who want to turn the clock back to the gory days of when half the world was British are delusional...the global deals are fantasy and only idiots who know nothing of business economics would turn their back on the largest trading partnership in the world to try to go it alone. The older generation who in the main voted to leave would be betraying our children and grandchildren if we didn’t try to salvage this before it’s too late. We must reconsider and recind the decision to leave.

Exactly

@powder This is not merely another election and it’s not party political....the country is divided almost 50/50 across all parties. The younger generation largely want to stay in the EU and older voters are in the main driving the Brexit bandwagon. If it was simply just going to mean a bit more paperwork it wouldn’t be the intractable problem it is. It is far more complex and multi-stranded than those advocating leaving kept telling us. Those who are affected the most by it ...businesses, farmers, academics, healthcare professionals....and people like me who live near the Irish Border are all extremely concerned at the prospect of leaving with no deal....which looks likely unless we can pull something together pretty quickly. Mrs May has done her best, but you cannot do the undoable. The only solution would be another vote, this time on the deal....do we want the deal which is on offer or do we want to forget about leaving altogether. That would be real democracy.

@powder I’m glad you feel so optimistic....if it’s so easy, why has it been so difficult? Oversimplification like you have just outlined was the lie we were told prior to the referendum....it is far from simple or a deal would have been reached long ago. The Irish border is a REAL stumbling block which anyone living here understands only too well. The Brexiteers never gave it any thought, and neither do they really care, as long as Ireland and the U.K. were both in the EU the border was inconsequential..but by us leaving it presents the possibility of a very real border in Ireland and a resurgence of the “Troubles” of the past. The Chief Constable of the PSNI has concerns and so do people like me. The law of unintended consequences of course, as both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted by some large margin to remain, and leaving could lead to Scotland deciding to have another Independence referendum, this time voting to leave the U.K., and if enough people here want it a reunification of Ireland. It is enshrined in the Anglo-Irish Agreement, an internationally binding agreement, that should the majority here wish it we will leave the U.K. and become part of the Irish Republic. It would be ironic indeed if these oh so patriotic loyalists who want Brexit were the catalyst for the breakup of the United Kingdom.

@powder I really don’t understand what you mean by counting counties/provinces....referenda are based on the number of votes cast for either yes or no....it is a head count. The victory for leave was 4% over the remain vote. However, in Northern Ireland 56% voted to remain and in Scotland 62%. The large metropolitan areas in England such as London and Birmingham also had majorities wanting to remain. There is no way two thirds of the British population wish us to leave....where you get that I can’t imagine. I believe it will be a disaster, especially with no deal, and I honestly think that when the history books are written it will be described as the biggest political folly that Britain has committed in modern times. We were desperate to join the EU in the first place, and were denied a place by France blocking our entry....then when that obstacle was removed we had our first Referendum which we voted yes to and were pleased to join. The benefits of being in the EU have been apparent to me and most others who wish to be part of Europe and not just a small offshore Island on the western fringe. The problem is our national press never stop complaining about the rules and regulations of the EU made by faceless beaurcrats in Brussels and make out that we are unable to make our own decisions. This is a complete canard, we send MPs to the European Parliament who debate along with those from the other countries, the Coucil of Ministers which comprises the heads of state of all member countries make the policy decisions and each one can exercise a veto, and the civil servants in Brussels only draft and carry out the legislation already passed. We have the same input as every other country...in fact it is just about as democratic as you could get. Our own Parliament at Westminster draft all domestic law, incorporating where appropriate EU legislation into it. Frankly, I don’t trust our politicians to run the country...we can’t blame the EU for lack of housing, underfunding of the NHS and Social Services, Road congestion and an exorbitant and unreliable Rail Network....nor can we blame immigration, one of the drivers which led people to vote for Brexit. We have scapegoated the EU for a lot of the woes which will still be with us whether we leave or stay in the EU.

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No you completely misunderstood this vote

Educate me. What did the vote mean?

@PBuck0145 Ok Mrs May went to the EU to negotiate a withdrawal agreement including a backstop to the NI border (this is important). She came back to the UK and the British Parliament voted against her deal (not the EUs). Eire, as a member of the EU has a sovereign right to protect its borders. A hard border would massively hurt if not destroy NI. A hard border (with checkpoints and passport entry) would re-introduce the visions of soldiers etc which they worked so hard to get rid of and increase the risk of igniting sectarian violence. The EU has nothing to do with this vote and as a Brit, I very much want to remain a member of EU and despair at what has happened.

@Amisja Solidarity! As someone who lives in Northern Ireland and am only about 20 miles from the border with The Republic of Ireland....which will become the EU border at the end of March...I am seriously worried. If this fiasco of a Brexit can be stopped at this eleventh hour I will be relieved.

@Marionville Me too, especially for you guys. Well all of us. This is a silly idea.

@Amisja May wants to remain in the E.U., always has. Her strategy has been to stonewall and play sillybugger in the hope that Brexit will atrophy and die of old age. Sheeple like you are facilitating May's stragedy (spelling intentional). If May is successful, Britain will remain indefinitely under the dictates of the autocratic, globalist European Commission.
At this point, Britain needs to present Brussels with a take-it-or-leave-it reasonable proposal. Turn about fair play.

@PBuck0145 Excuse me, who do you think you are calling me names? I do not support the Tories in any way but I have grown up as a member of EU, I enjoyed living and working in the EU, enjoyed free and open travel and the opportunity to live and work anywhere in the EU I wanted to be. In addition, we are in a much better position to change things on the inside than outside. I am angry and upset that my children's opportunities will be limited this way. Oh and you are canadian...doh

@PBuck0145 You are completely ignorant of all the facts...stick to politics you know something about. I voted to remain and like being British and European, I do not want to return to the days of borders and visas to travel around in Europe....and I especially don’t want a border with the EU just twenty miles from my home with all the possible resurgence of terrorism that could return with it. The benefits from being in the EU vastly outweigh any fantasy of going solo.

@Marionville Your border is roughly 500 km. Switzerland's borders are roughly 1850 km. Switzerland has very few problems with its borders with the E.U.

@PBuck0145 Switzerland didn’t have 30 years of terrorist activity because of it.

@PBuck0145 Have you any idea what living in the UK was like in the 1970s and 80s? The threat to life and limb was constant. Here on mainland England and it was a million times worse in NI. I live within 20 miles of two of the major mainland bombs. The day of the Manchester bomb my Mum and sister had planned a shopping trip. I have to thank my neice who had a tummy upset so they didn't go. Since the Good friday agreement NI has prospered. They have enjoyed investment from the EU and free movement continues. Brexit is very damaging for that population.

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