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Are we living in a computer simulation? Some serious thinkers like Elon Musk and Neil deGrasse Tyson think it's pretty likely. Meanwhile, there were some recent studies that claim to disprove the idea based, as I understand it, on the fact that there isn't enough computer power to model every single particle in existence. I'm skeptical of that since I don't believe it's necessary for a simulation. Thoughts?

jerry99 8 Feb 22
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I don't see any way of ruling out a simulation, but I also don't think it is in any way helpful in explaining anything. So why bother? But if I'm wrong, and it helps to explain something, then we should be able to test it.

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I'm not ruling a simulation out, whether someone is doing the simulation or if it's naturally occurring. I had an interesting philosophical thought about it once though. Let's say for instance this is a simulation. The next question I would ask is this: what if the simulators themselves were a part of a simulation of their own? And what if those above them were part of a simulation too? What if it was an infinite regress of simulations, one within the other like an endless Russian doll? Under those circumstances, we could never know for certain which universe was the real one and which one wasn't. It would be impossible to know under those circumstances. If that was the case, I'd be inclined to treat the one I'm in as the real one because it's the one most relevant to me.

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This is where science meets philosophy. It has long been speculated in philosophy that there is no way to determine what is real, that reality comes down to senses data, and that is subjective. Now this has become part of modern 'science' and science fiction thinking. I think The Matrix movies bought it full into the public domain, drawing upon long established ideas, applied to the modern world.

@AxeElf you use words like faith and axioms in ways I simply cannot relate to, a kind of new age existentialism or perhaps solipsism, I simply cannot agree with, or barely understand. We live in different universes. We have different brains. And though on occasions I have shared a joke with you here, on this occasion I ask that we not proceed down a path of counter-replying which will do neither of us any good. Thanks.

@AxeElf Don't take this personally but your patronising drivel and jello word play has outworn its welcome with me.

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This is the same kind of line of thought as the question , " what if we're all dreaming " or "what if we are all part of some crazy deity's dream and are just random energy flowing through the universe.
personally I hope we are all just part of a ridiculous dream world so I can shrug off any responsibility for my actions because I'm just a psycho like that ... lol

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Kinda irrelevant. interesting, but irrelevant lol. its the problem of solipsism, but its not really a problem, since whether or not life is real we all seem to be experiencing it the same way, objects are permanent even when you leave the room. you could all be figments of my imagination, but it doesnt matter, because we can interact

Yes, of course. We don't go around murdering people because they might just be a simulation. Still, I think keeping the possibility in mind gives us a bit more perspective on what really matters: finding happiness and adding to other people's happiness. Also, we can laugh at ourselves a bit more easily when we screw-up.

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I have watched a couple of talks given by Dr. Lawrence Krauss where he talks about virtual particles, with mass, popping into and out of existence. I thoroughly enjoyed them.

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If we are in a simulation I don't see that as relevant because it's not actionable. What are we going to do, escape the simulation?

Reality is "experienced as real", and that's for practical purposes the same thing as "real".

So to me the mechanism by which reality comes to us is rather beside the point, unless we can somehow communicate with the computer operator and get the operator shut this damned computer off.

Yes, why not try to break out of the simulation? Or maybe we could find a way to communicate with the operator, say put up a notice that says "please make me young, beautiful, smart and wealthy." Or is that what they call praying to god? 🙂

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I don't think it such, but I certainly do not believe such a thing could me impossible.

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Sounds like Buddhism to me. We are not really here but are of a common consciousness.

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I think that's as much bullshit as there being an all-powerful deity.

If we were part of a simulation then I guess the entity running it would fit most definitions of a supreme being: all-knowing and all-powerful. I'd like to think that such an entity could still lose control of its creation and not be so omnipotent.
Also, some thinkers have speculated on simulations being able to create more simulations. So, we couldn't even tell how deep we were in the simulation hierarchy if there were such a thing!

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