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The issue of Atheism's relation to polyamory has come up today; I don't think the connection is causal, but, perhaps, the same outlook of liberating from tradition can be seen in both...

PatrickHermitage 5 Mar 2
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Well we don't have some religion telling us it is wrong, not my style, I don't share.

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Interesting. I've never equated Atheism and polygamy

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From what I have observed, polyamony in order to have stability in relationships requires complete honesty.

Complete honesty is also a trait found more commonly among atheists than the general population, or so ti seems to me.

Without religion, there woudl nto be as much stigma attached to polyamony.

So, it may be more common due to the above reasons.

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Like it or not; wish to acknowledge it or not, we are still part of the 'animal kingdom' and our imaginations cannot change the fact. We are somewhat limited by instinctual, hard wiring in our ability to actually adapt to wishes about living rooted in our exploded capacity to imagine.

Proportions of tradition and instinct aren't clearly understood yet. But sexual behaviors have had some form of socially organized boundaries throughout our history, even including the few surviving, sex positive Matriarchal cultures discovered in the most remote places on Earth.

If I understand polyamory correctly, sexual behaviors take place in an entirely random, impulsive fashion. If that is the case, it appears to be an 'escape' from tradition to existence closer to that of invertebrates.

You greatly misunderstand polyamory then.

@Blindbird I'm here to learn. Sometimes words morph and definitions in application expand from the simple or incomplete. 🙂

@Silver1wun I've read just a bit about it and I know a handful of poly couples.

I am by no means an expert. From what I've seen though it's an A) an answer to the problem of how to maintain relationships long term and B) all about consent and communication.

We all know that more than half of all marriages fail and we all know that infidelity is one of the most common reasons. Poly couples acknowledge that one can be attracted to and maintain relationships with more than one individual. So when a new relationship is formed the old one is not thrown out like yesterdays trash but allowed to grow and evolve.

One of the things I personally find very attractive about the practice is the respect and space accorded to each partner. There seems to be so much communication and care taken not to transgress one another's boundaries. Everything is discussed and everyones feelings and thoughts are considered.

There are all types of poly relationships but the ones I've personally been witness to are most definitely not helter skelter jumping into bed with random people. Partners are carefully chosen and vetted. The process generally seems to take longer than forming a relationship (in the usual way)does because there are multiple people involved and the relationships are carefully organised to reflect that.

@Blindbird Thank you for the additional information and insight.

Although I wouldn't stretch a description to gross misunderstanding, what I expressed meant only singularity of sexual intimacy; not eliminating other close, caring relationships because of it's existence. The miss as likely resulted from my lack of clarity as anything else. Probable differences in views of what sexual intimacy entirely means, might also account for some missing of point.

For example, I agree in principle that opportunities to experience relationships with other people, including the opposite sex, ought not be missed because of insecurities in a primary bond. Polyamory seems represented as a means of overcoming that state for some.

We might also differ on this point: Most 'romance' based relationships are formed too early in the process of acquainting for a secure state of common familiarity to develop. This results in a weaker bonding because mutual and self-trust; self-trust meaning one's own perceptions and judgment of the other person's character and values. Influences like religion and culturally sacrosanct attitudes about such things interfere with 'knowing each other completely' delaying and even preventing that kind of outcome.

The assertion relating to Nature included only coitus as being exclusive. My personal life partially exemplifies what I mean. Without details, suffice to say that the love of my life is now primarily bonded with a different man while our bond, love and dedication to one another in all other ways remains. There was never even a slight bit of hostility or disappointment as the changes occurred because we had a thorough understanding of each others' characters. For my part, I recognized that he would be a better 'match up' for her in ways that I'm not. It isn't in either of our make-ups to consider each others optimal happiness important ONLY if it includes us exclusively. So, I understand your trash reference and sympathize with it as tragic, unnecessary loss.

@Silver1wun agreed. I've seen people who still love each other very much separated over these issues. It often causes both parties unnecessary pain and I consider it one of the chief arguments for polyamory.

Another point I forgot to mention earlier is their attitude towards jealousy. Jealousy is viewed as a maladaptive and unhealthy emotion. It's treated almost as an illness. The "afflicted" party is helped to work through their jealousy and discard it. Much as an older sibling might be treated when a new baby comes along. This seems so much healthier to me. I honestly cannot think of any situation which jealousy solves or makes better.

I understand that some people use polyamory to emotionally abuse their partner/s but the same can be said of any other relationship type. I think that problem lies with the individual and not the concept.

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I don't personally find a realistic connection, though I do happen to be both an atheist and poly. My disinterest in organized religion is a quite separate matter from my belief that people can love multiple others at the same time and find healthy relationships with them all. Even when I was a kid, before I left the church and the heavy shroud of Christianity, I didn't hold with traditional relationships or believe monogamy was a realistic option for lifelong happiness. I speak only for myself, of course, as I know many content people involved in monogamous, two-person, lifelong partnerships.

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I think there is a link with atheism and generally more open minded. It might be that there is a segment of the population that prefers poly and they have been suppressed. In atheist communities are generally more open to that sort if difference. More so than most religious communities anyway.

JeffB Level 6 Mar 2, 2018
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A-theism has no relationship to anything. A-theism is "disbelief OR lack of belief [non-belief] in the existence of God or gods". That's it. A-theists, like all other humans, can believe in ANYTHING imaginable. We just can not believe in god(s).

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I think you make a great point here in that there may be some form of relationship between the two, though I also agree that it isn't casual, and might posit further that it also can't necessarily be quantified.

Personal choices and preferences for patterns of relationships with others is deeply coded not just by our experiences in youth (in a religious context or not), but also by our beliefs, both those we form on our own and those we inherit from our family, friends, and chosen community. Throwing off the mantle of religion may help to open the door for a polyamorous approach to love, and can alleviate the pressures wrapped up in the ideal of monogamy; I'm sure we can all attest to the rigidity of the fundamentalist Christian view of sexuality as a taboo, and to discard this inherent oppression of sexuality can be liberating-- but not always. Having grown up around Mormonism, I can certainly attest that for small sects within religious communities, polyamory can be quite the fixture of the "proper" way to live, to procreate and build an army for God (though I'll concede here, however, that the Mormon practice of polygamy is very different from polyamory, and highly patriarchal to boot; the same example also exists within Islam).

Polyamory in practice, it seems, can just as easily be associated with religious dogma as it can be with freeing yourself from it and opening yourself up to the possibilities of love in all its' forms.

I have a married-couple set of friends who are religionists AND polyamorous. I have often wondered about that. They define it as polyamory rather than polygamy.

And because I had a moment to look it up, Polyamory means "many loves."

Polygamy means "many marriages," and is rooted in religion and what awaits them in the afterlife.

Yes! Precisely--the difference is important to note. In summation, I think that the relationship between being religious vs. non-religious, monogamous vs. polyamorous, really comes down to personal experience, interpretation, and preference, and the choices we make about how to approach our relationships are highly individualized and may have everything to do with our religious views, or nothing to do with them at all.

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How did it come up?! First i heard of it. I do see there is atv show about Mormons called "Sister Wives", though....

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I'm a lifelong atheist. I'm not poly and have zero interest in it. I don't know anyone who is openly poly. While it isn't for me, I don't see anything inherently wrong with it as long as everyone is a consenting adult. I think my attitude has nothing to do with my being an atheist. I wasn't liberated from anything.

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I think there may be less sexual stigma for nontheists in this regard, so it's likely more prevalent among the nonreligious. With that said, I know of some Christians who have a rather liberated view of what's sexually permissible within their marriage or relationship.

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