sorry kind of new to this

i suppose you are right they are not mutually exclusive.

@jeron no problem

i took the first of your suggestions I wrought my bio. to the second point you are right though if i keep thinking i will never ask my question I have enough trouble with putting my thoughts in to text.

i should probably rephrase my question IDK how i just don't know how spreading the wealth would work?

@jeron It can work If there is a fairer taxation system, and a real social service system which is a safety net for those who cannot earn enough to live and keep a family on, for a variety of reasons...disability, health, redundancy. Universal healthcare and free education to third level, legislation to make a minimum wage an actual living wage. These are all things that can be called social justice, but it can only work if people are prepared to pay the correct level of taxation to pay for it. Governments don’t have any money, the money they raise by taxation is tax-payers’ money...we trust them to make the policies and spend the money we give then wisely, but unfortunately they sometimes spend it on wars and excessive numbers of weaponry, instead of using it to make sure that all their citizens are living to a decent standard of living. It’s a matter of choice and priorities....it’s up to us to elect people into power who actually have our interests as a priority, and not those of pharmaceutical corporations, the mega rich and arms manufacturers. There are countries in which they have a good balance of Social Democracy, most of them are in Northern Europe and Scandinavia, their citizens enjoy a high standard of living and freedoms, good healthcare and social services, and the top the Happiness Index each year. This is a survey of countries around the world where citizens are asked to rate their country on a series of things that contribute to our health, wellbeing and general happiness. Currently Denmark, Norway and Finland ...followed by New Zealand, Sweden and Canada top the list. The UK is further down and the USA is much further down that list.

@Marionville i think that if you give people benefits for no work you many would just stop though you have good points i have herd people address those country. i need to do some research. honestly it seems like a lot of speculation

@jeron it’s not speculation...and you only give the benefits to people who legitimately require them....you already have this system in the USA to some extent. You put people into retraining and eduction schemes to get them back into the workforce. What is your alternative...allowing them to starve on the streets? We already have plenty already who have to go to food banks. It isn’t theory....go do your research. Look at the counties I mentioned where they have more equality, less poverty and generally better, happier citizens, Funny how USA thinks it’s better than other countries at everything, but the evidence points the other way.

@Marionville i will take a look at it. thx

i think it could disincentives people from working hard.

@jeron a lack of upward mobility and/or opportunity also keeps people from working hard, or working within the rules. A free market is inherently heartless, and a society has to have a heart, or compassion, for those that are forced to start with nothing.

sory i did not know how to come at this question i was curious about it.

i have always taken it as fact and i wanted to put a question mark to this belief.

@jeron what belief? i don't remember seeing any mention of the free market in your original post but i do not see an edited label on it either. social justice, by the way, isn't all about the free market, though certainly there is injustice in a market that calls itself free but is in fact dominated and manipulated by corporations and the very rich.

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