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There can be no absolute creator.

If one insists there must be an absolute creator because nothing can just happen or just exist, then one immediatly faces an endless hall of mirrors... the creator can not just happen to exist or just happen, therefore the creator must have a creator and so on... there is no final solution.

I submit then that our universe, in it's endless cycles of expansion, collapse, and re-expansion has always existed and we shall never know why.

The fact to us that we are here, alive, conscious, sentient, curious, and philosophical is only by chance and has happened countless times before, although it is rare in the odds of the many varied cycles of our universe.

In the more numerous times of our non-existence in the active cycle, we are simply not here to consider these questions, although they undoubtedly continue to exist... it makes no difference.

What do you think?

CuriosityExtant 7 Apr 23
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I believe as you do in the power of the universe and I also believe we are connected through that universe.

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I think more or less as you do. I have actually stopped pondering on the imponderable, and have just decided that I may never get the answers to some questions....I’m 74 now, and have been looking for answers all my life. I am more convinced than ever that there is no creator, and no longer wonder about the great unknowables, I just accept that this universe of ours is full of mysteries, and am grateful for the short human lifespan which we are privileged to enjoy on this earth....with all the beauty and wonders of nature and human companionship.

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In my opinion, you're absolutely correct about the existence of a creator being illogical (religious thinkers have long struggled with that question, and usually put it down to "the essence of the divine being unknowable to humans" or something along those lines because they haven't come up with anything better). However, "our universe, in it's endless cycles of expansion, collapse, and re-expansion has always existed" is demonstrably incorrect - by studying microwave background radiation and the red shift in spectral lines of distant galaxies (which prove the universe is expanding), it's possible to show that the Universe had a beginning and to estimate it, with a reasonable degree of accuracy, to around 13.8 billion years ago.

Jnei Level 8 Apr 24, 2019

But who can say that 13.9 billion years ago the universe was shrinking and building up toward another 'big bang'

@ShadowAmicus This universe's predecessor may have been, but that one would be an entirely different universe to the one we inhabit. It's a bit like if a house stood for a hundred years and was demolished in 1919, then it and all record of it were completely destroyed before the house you live in now was built on the same spot - you couldn't claim that your house was somehow the same house as the old house.

but even if it all collapsed and was destroyed in a big bang, you still have the same set of atoms that are re-formed into new matter 0 or at least same sub particles that form new atoms to form new matter - apart from that matter used to create energyto fuel the bang - maybe

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I think you're right about us not understanding the eternal nature of the universe. God has been our best understanding of this mystery for a long time.

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