Devils advocate here but where in our constitution does it talk about a right to privacy ?

No, all are important issues. Immigration may be more important to others, not just you.

@JacobMeyers 4th Amendment.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

@St-Sinner Cool, but privacy is important for everyone. I don't care if they are deporting immigrants, giving them all legal status or if we are invading Mexico with plans to annex. As far as I am concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to do that without taking out a warrant on every person they check.

@Happy_Killbot totally agree about the need for a warrant. I don’t see the 4th as a guarantee of privacy however. That’s a topic for a diff discussion though. Carry on the good fight

Correct. You got it.

Call it anything. Scream all you want but illegal immigration must be stopped. Legal immigration for qualified applicants must be encouraged. There are millions of qualified applicants lining up at U.S. Consulates all around the world, around the clock. If you have sympathy for illegal immigrants, start a drive to airlift people from around the world, not just illegal immigrants at the Southern border.

That is what special interests do. Call it compassion, the right thing to do and scream.

@St-Sinner there is NO WAY the current treatment of people at the border is justified. the illegal activities of the current Administration concerns me much more than illegal immigration.

@hankster Yes, I agree, the treatment must be improved. But illegal immigration must not just be controlled but must be stopped.

@St-Sinner btw...there is no interest more special than the rich asses Trump is kissing.

@St-Sinner why? it's not hurting anyone as much as the greedy rich, the lack of gun control, crappy education etc....silly priority in my opinion.

@hankster It is not hurting you but it is hurting others. You just don't talk to them. You probably are living in your own cocoon with like-minded people around you.

@St-Sinner no liberal in Tennessee is in a cocoon of like minded folk.

@hankster we should do it all and not call any thing unimportant

@St-Sinner perhaps, but illegal immigration is way down on my list of concerns. a D.C.bought by corporate America, a corrupt president, a broken healthcare industry, a ridiculous need for gun control laws, an effective educational system, paying fair wages, etc need to top our list of concerns and frankly facial recognition is too "big brother" for my taste.

@hankster
Are you saying do not do anything about immigration? If so, let's stop departments of labor, interior, energy etc and just focus on gun control, health care etc.

What does a bad president and illegal immigrants have do together. I want both of them removed. Do you not agree?

@St-Sinner it's just a question of priorities. illegal immigration just ain't that big a deal to me in light of these other problems. sure it would be better to fix it i guess, but that would mean nothing if the direction of the nation, and direction of the money remains the Same.

@hankster A former West-coaster now living in SW VA. There is nowhere near the pressure on schools, police, social services or unions ‘over here’ as there is out West. There are a few pockets … but it you ignore the warning this poster’s making the effort to describe - it will find it’s way to Tennessee ~

@Varn if we don't take care of some of those things I mentioned, there will be no point in worrying about the illegal immigrants. I don't think the illegal immigrant is the problem. some poor family risking life and limb to get across the Border, much less the journey? NO they aren't the problem. the problem is the corporate greed of the rich white guy and the propaganda of those with the money. think about it.

@hankster I’ve thought about it, and to get to ‘those problems,’ we need governmental representation (even though a number of posters apparently don’t feel laws matter). We can not achieve such representation when ‘the middle’ is voting for a candidate willing to enforce our immigration laws and defend our national borders while the others aren’t..

Very active within the Democratic Party (actually co-organized the following), I spoke up against open borders at a meeting ..after several others had suggested we ignore illegal immigration.’ Those advocating the party ignore, or encourage it, freaked out (one young female broke down in tears!). Afterward, several others timidly approached to ‘thank me’ for speaking up - stating, ‘they felt the same as I do,’ ‘but didn’t feel safe mentioning it around other Democrats.’

So what should they do when their party advocates ignoring this issue, or, openly promotes an ‘open borders’ agenda? Answer: Nothing - they don’t contribute, canvas, write LTE’s, phone-bank or invigorate others … they may not even vote.. What do we get? An Orange idiot!

So what do the Democrats do? …answer debate questions in Spanish..

@Varn yes you have.....Is difficult to imagine supporting the enforcement of a law which is going to result in people being put under the thumb of such an eager bunch armed with guns, racist jokes, and haircuts.

@Varn sí, tienes ... Es difícil imaginar apoyar la aplicación de una ley que dará como resultado que se ponga a las personas bajo el pulgar de un grupo tan ansioso armado con armas, chistes racistas y cortes de pelo.

@hankster If a wound goes untreated long enough, drastic measures are often needed to treat it.. Had Democrats worked with willing Republicans on this issue ..twenty years ago, it may have become a non-issue … allowing both to move on to others. It wasn’t, now ‘this.’

My children had one ‘foreign language’ option in HS …guess which.. Another thing I’ve noticed is how connected the most radical open-border folks are to those pouring in from our Spanish South Occasionally married, having birthed a child, or with an obvious Conquistador Spanish heritage … as they accuse others of being “racist.” Projection..?

@Varn what is happening now at the "detention centers" is not acceptable. i could not support any law that makes whats happening now legal. it is shameful.

@hankster It’s a message that should have reached the home nations of all those detained. And shouldn’t their nations of origin rescue them, if it’s that bad? Again, I wish a serious deterrent had been put in place long before now..

Listened to Cory Booker today, he thinks ‘each detainee should be given a personal guidance counselor, to guide them through the process.’ That ‘that would save us a lot of money.’ Total disconnect, and more of the same craziness

Trump’s message is clear, the US is not open for business as usual. If you don’t like what you see - don’t come. That simple. The old way didn’t work … maybe this will, shameful or not.

@Varn there is NO justification for the current activities at the border. NONE. it is inhuman. it is simplistic. this barbaric unAmerican treatment of people is inexcusable. my final word on it.

But,,,,,,,,Trump told us they are the problem.

Illegal is bad. Legal is good. Did you not learn that in school?

@St-Sinner What I learned in school is that slavery was legal, the holocaust was legal, the trail of tears was legal, the salem witch trials were legal. Basically I learned that legal does not equal right. I was taught that many atrocities were committed by people like you that were "just following the law and doing our jobs" What school did you go to again?

@PondartIncbendog Do you listen to everything Trump tells you? Why not see the good wherever it is? Obama did healthcare but he was terrible everywhere else, a weak president in the knees, no balls.

You are going too far with your analogies. Catching illegal immigrants is catching common criminals. But because we are a compassionate nation of laws, we will just return them home.... Not extort money from, not rape, not beat, not jail them which most likely may happen in their own countries.

@PondartIncbendog, @Gooderer I have a good solution to give you permanant peace by doing something bigger than yourself. This is a historic opportunity for you. It will put you in the history books... possibly bigger than Martin Luther King and even bigger than your hero George Washington who owned slaves.

"Start a worldwide campaign for America airlifting starving and sick children from around the world and giving them asylum here. We will feed them, treat them, educate them, raise them and give them a permanent home and not just save their lives but give the world more Nobel laureates, Olympic medal winners etc. Show compassion and kindness at the right place. Show your big heart to where it is needed. Don't cry just for illegal immigrants at the Southern border who are abusing the system."

This is your chance to shine. Tomorrow's generations will read about you in the history books.

@PondartIncbendog, @Gooderer I went to the school that taught me there is good and there is bad. It taught me that some people will confuse you between the good and the bad and not to listen to them. Believe in your convictions and stand with the good because it is not local, it is universal.

You did not go to that school. You went to special interests school.

@St-Sinner So you went to "grad school" and don't know when to use "week" and "weak"?

@Cherie4444
Please give it time. You don't have to do anything. Once they know how much tax revenue it can give the state, they will fuck Jesus and legalize it.

The posters comments have been measured and consistent. There are many problems facing the USA, and after decades of ignoring this one, do we ignore it further? If so … we can’t ignore the voters motivated to support a candidate openly willing to finally do something serious about it. With that, there’s only been one.

Open minded to all things legal. Open minded does not mean bent over.

legally doesn't equal morality. What hitler did was "legal". Owning slaves used to be "legal". Ill say it again "LEGAL DOES NOT EQUAL MORAL" LAWS ARE NOT ALWAYS JUST. If you can't grasp that concept then you are a blind order following boot licking facsist who thinks america fighting the brits for their independence was illegal and wrong. The most American thing anyone can do is break any law that is unjust.

@St-Sinner You seem bent over to me and you love getting screwed. It's obvious you not only lack empathy you also lack intelligence - but you seem to know that.

@FrostyJim Correct, I do not have sympathy for law breakers and illegals. I have respect for law abiding citizens everywhere in the world.

@FrostyJim, @Gooderer
Apply for visa at the U.S. Consulates. That is legal. Screaming does not make it legal.

@St-Sinner You seem intent on missing the point that just because something isn't legal doesn't automatically make it wrong. Legality is no standard for morality and it never was. So you support atrocities as long as they are done "legally"? If you do that makes you a monster who can't think for himself. You realize that right?

@St-Sinner Seeking asylum is legal. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to apply for, or request the opportunity to apply for, asylum. There’s no way to ask for a visa or any type of authorization in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum...

@FrostyJim
We are sorting out who has valid grounds and who don't. Domestic abuse is not a valid ground. More people are coming in hordes to abuse the system.

@St-Sinner They aren't sorting out shit. All they are doing is putting kids in cages and abusing people. ICE should be abolished and all the agents abusing people should be in prison along with that menace in charge.

@Gooderer Please mention Obama started putting children in cages and the conditions must be improved. We all agree on it. That is why McConnell and Pelosi released immediate funds without bitching.

@Gooderer ICE will not be abolished because we have an immigration menace at the border.

@St-Sinner Man, gotta say - you’ve my admiration for staying cool …. Shitfuck ..this topic’s taught me A Lot about ..the Left.

This is exactly the thinking with which one became 11 million. It can be 50 million in a few years. Don't condone illegal things and wake up.

@St-Sinner You are an alarmist. There is no point to conversing with you.

@PondartIncbendog A alarm is necessary, otherwise we will sleep at the border and the illegal immigrants of 11 million will become 100 million.

Oh no help the brown people are coming!! They will clean hotels and pick fruit and do other jobs my racist white privileged ass won't do!! Ohh the humanity of brown people coming here to live among us peacefully. Id trade 100 million racists nazi scumbags for 100 million hard working peaceful immigrants any day

@Gooderer But,,,,,Nazis don't do produce. LOL!!

@Gooderer I served with Mexicans in the USAF in the 70's. We did the same job, had the same aspirations, I trusted them like a friend. Knew their families. I come from a family of Vets. We all agree.

@PondartIncbendog Ive met good and bad from all races and all walks of life. Blind hatred of an entire group of people is something I find horrendous and insulting. I am Cuban and have lived among many different cultures. The sooner we realize we are all one human family and lose the ridiculous hate, like this St-Sinner douche seems filled with, the sooner we can channel that wasted energy into more productive life improving means.

@PondartIncbendog Special interest is making noise.

..talking with self.. When placed on Oregon’s ballot as a citizen’s initiative, and seriously outspent - every county in Oregon voted not to allow illegal aliens to be issued a driver's license but one (Multnomah, Portland Metro, my hometown). It confirmed to me (at least) - a lot of ‘ordinary’ voters are sick of illegal immigration. Trump confirmed that on a national level.

If Democrats blow this yet again … ‘this’ may very well be why..

It is at BBC.

It makes a good sense to me. Isolating by matching people's pictures (which are retaken every 2 years) with another databases that has more information such criminal history. The United States must do everything to find all illegal immigrants and deport them.

@St-Sinner retaken every 2 years?

@JasonTomerlin2 Most states require that you renew your drivers license by physically coming into a DMV office

@St-Sinner in Arizona, every 12 years. So most? Shrug

@JasonTomerlin2 That is what Trump is fighting on with the legislators.

@St-Sinner That is States rights. That is not up to the Trumpanzees. My state is 10 years. You are wrong again. Can't speak logic? Hmmm........

@PondartIncbendog Hate Trump but don't hate law and order. Propose good solutions to stop illegal immigration. Call your senator/representative to add value by supporting rule of law, give your suggestions, give your time, effort and possibly money.

@St-Sinner No! I think you are not being honest. You are confused by politics. Republicans are supporting Trump the traitor. You are supporting his policies. This wasn't a problem until the GOP said it was. You are brainwashed.

@PondartIncbendog

I am supporting Trump on...

1. Immigration
2. Trade agreements
3. Standing up to China

I dislike him and may vote against him in 2020. If he makes a big and permanent change in nation's immigration policy, I will support him just like millions of Obama democrats and independents did in 2016, still do and will do in 2020. Remember, there is a silent majority in America that is watching. They do not listen to the noise of special interests of city folks make.

I do not know what you have against promoting a fair immigration policy where we do not put immigrants overwhelming the resources at the border, give them residency, allow DACA to stay here while millions of qualified and also deserving people are waiting in line at the Consulates?

If anyone has so much compassion, should start a fund and effort to help them, even airlift starving children from around the world but not ask to pledge nation's and law abiding citizens' resources to allow illegal immigration.

@St-Sinner hmmm still confusing. So we can match drivers license pics with criminal record pics. What’s the link to illegal immigration?

We are now discovering that many asylum seekers are not even asking asylum on valid grounds. Domestic abuse is not one.

Why not apply for asylum at the consulates in own countries?

@St-Sinner because our law says come to the border and ask for asylum.

I hope legal

legal immigrants is ok, illegal immigrants is not ok.