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I believe Iran. Who is provoking who here. [nytimes.com]
[pbs.org]

Bigel 5 July 20
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Bolton and Pompeo are being disingenuous with the American people. They are military hawks pushing for regime change in Iran. As such, they are crowding assets into the Persian Gulf with hopes of incurring an incident that provides them with the justification to escalate to war. Trump is an idiot and has little comprehension of the foreign policy issues involved.

Trump is placing honerous economic sanctions on Iran. In doing so, he alienated the moderate faction in Iran which was not anti-US, and provided fuel for the hardliners to recapture public opinion.

In fairness, Iran has been a bad actor in the past. They are not an innocent actor. The US engaged in regime change to install (another example of our meddling in sovereign countries politics) the Shah. The Shah pushed westernization too quickly for his conservative Islamic society. So they revolted and threw him out. This set the stage for an adversarial relationship in the area. Iran has been a terrorist haven and supporter of Hesbollah.

I do not know if we didn't understand the depth of the divide between the two principle factions of Islam: Sunni vs. Shite (its history is similar the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants). We hooked our wagon to Suadi Arabia who is Sunni (Suadi Arabia is a bad actor in the region), while Iran is Shia. We inserted ourselves into a historic religious war.

Basically it all comes down to controlling the flow of oil and gas out of the Persian Gulf.

t1nick Level 8 July 21, 2019
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Bolton and Pompeo are being disingenuous with the American people. They are military hawks pushing for regime change in Iran. As such, they are crowding assets into the Persian Gulf with hopes of incurring an incident that provides them with the justification to escalate to war. Trump is an idiot and has little comprehension of the foreign policy issues involved.

Trump is placing honerous economic sanctions on Iran. In doing so, he alienated the moderate faction in Iran which was not anti-US, and provided fuel for the hardliners to recapture public opinion.

In fairness, Iran has been a bad actor in the past. They are not an innocent actor. The US engaged in regime change to install (another example of our meddling in sovereign countries politics) the Shah. The Shah pushed westernization too quickly for his conservative Islamic society. So they revolted and threw him out. This set the stage for an adversarial relationship in the area. Iran has been a terrorist haven and supporter if Hesbollah.

I do not know if we didn't understand the depth of the divide between the two principle factions of Islam: Dunni vs. Shite (its history is similar

t1nick Level 8 July 21, 2019

@Bigel agreed

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I've been 100% behind Iran, who were sticking to the deal that the US welshed on and then tried to make something out of nothing, probably in cahoots with Iran's regional foe, Saudi Arabia. However, the latest hi-jacking of by Iran of a UK tanker in 'retaliation' for the impounding of a UN sanctions-busting Iranian-flagged tanker in Gibraltar is in violation of international law, so now I'm thinking that maybe they're as bad as one another.

Gareth Level 7 July 21, 2019
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It's ridiculous to attack their economy and infrastructure, unilaterally pull out of a peace agreement and blackmail third parties who feel they should live up to their obligations and then whine about "unprovoked attacks"

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First off, I do not see how the USA has any right to enforce an embargo on Iran, the USA has no international mandate for it. Second, Britain seized the Iranian tanker, also contrary to the international laws, in fact, piracy, so they are getting exactly what they deserve. All this arrogant bullshit by the USA and Britain is not going to end well for the planet.

THHA Level 7 July 20, 2019

We may be handing Iran the means to further alienate Europe on top Trump's idiotic trade war. The dollar is the world's reserve currency because of trust and the Euro and Yuan are looking better every day.

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