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One of the most significant problem of the American educational system is that children or students are not learning how to think but rather only what to think. As long as they parrot the leftist, liberal agenda they are fine and get good grades in humanities and social sciences. Students are almost never exposed to the hypothesis, thesis, antithesis, synthesis and theory approach. This represents a problem even for students studying hard sciences.

zesty 7 Aug 9
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Someone was telling me earlier today about a book they read which showed liberals are more "a ha!" moment problem solvers whereas conservatives were more systematic.

I believe there are physical differences in the organic minds of left and right that account for more insecurity in the right and a domination of thought by the limbic system vice allowing logic and reason to reign from the prefrontal cortex (PFC).

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Broad, over reaching generalizations such as this - based on what I can only assume is anecdotal evidence, would seem to indicate a failure on your part to grasp the underlying elements of your argument.

Why to assume "anecdotal evidence"? I had so many graduate and doctoral students of mine telling me that as long as you repeat the liberal BS, in humanities, you get an A. All my smart students make a joke of the academic left! Please explain: "to grasp the underlying elements of your argument". So, I have an argument but I don't understand it myself?

@zesty
Your argument references the scientific method, but you jump from hypothesis to conclusion with no evidence other than your own anecdotal experience, and then extend that to the entire educational system.
If you’d cited some peer reviewed studies, your argument might have more credibility.

Making statements in the manner you did somewhat circumvents the scientific method that you reference.

Again, “all my smart students” is another broad generalization with no real support.

@Haemish1 She reviewed them herself, and you have to admit she is her peer! 🤣😂😜😄

@Petter
On the contrary, I think she’s without peer😉

@Haemish1 Personal experience. I'm not a social scientist but work most of my life as a professor. This is what I observed. It is not a theory, just an observation.

@zesty
If it’s a theory, then present it as such and don’t extend it to an entire population and denigrate those with opposing points of view.

@Haemish1 Don't tell me what to do, you are not qualified! Show me where I denigrated anyone!

@zesty
Perhaps you’re right there - you wouldn’t consider regurgitating right wing, fascist pablum denigrating either, I guess?

@Haemish1 Don't just write cliches, it is boring. Show it! Show me where I denigrated anyone!

@Haemish1 Do I detect a spot of antagonism there? ☹️

@zesty
I apologize to you - denigrating was a poor choice of words on my part. You do seem to enjoy inflammatory rhetoric though.

@Haemish1 It is OK. Thank you for the apology. Im a strange bird, easy to misunderstand me.

You are obviously an intelligent person.

You live in Montana, perhaps the most free state of a very free country. OK, comparatively speaking, lol.

Sometimes, no matter how smart and intelligent you are, you cannot turn off your emotions. I was born in the USSR and defected. Received a long prison sentence in absentee. Couldn't even visit my mother as she was dying. (All these years I could send her money using black channels to make her life quite comfortable. ) I'm sure you can understand life under a totalitarian regime. However you cannot really feel it, live it unless you are a citizen there.

Most of the people who left a totalitarian regime with permission of their government are afraid to speak up, they still have too much to loose. I have nothing to loose. 🙂

@zesty
I appreciate you sharing your history - it provides some insight to your comments.

Montana is a unique, wonderful place in my opinion, although I’m not sure there’s any greater degree of freedom there.
If you ever visit, I’ll buy you a beer - or a Moscow Mule🙂

As far as being intelligent, I’m just oil patch trash, with too much time on my hands.

@Haemish1 🙂

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Agree learning creative ways to learn and solve problems is essential

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Learning "Parrot style" can earn good exam results, but fails to qualify anyone for life in real society, where such people subsequently fail the moment independent thought is required. Left, right or centre, dogma is a weakness.

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This is correct - not learning how to think but rather only what to think

But why only liberals and leftists? It should apply to all.

Precisely.

Sure, should apply to all. However, there are no conservative faculty in humanities or social sciences.

@zesty a serious shortcoming I would say.

@Petter In my experience a professor with conservative views will not get tenure in these colleges.

@zesty A variant of racism, I would say. It should be publicised.

@Petter Everyone know it who works in academia. One must be a social science or humanities associate professor to write a publication about it. The paper will never ever get the peer review. Also, bye bye tenure! Lol

@zesty There's more than one way to swing a cat. The public at large, as opposed to academia, also read.

@Petter Sure. I'm a computer science professor, at our college it is not an issue at all. It was just very surprising for me to serve on university level committees with super liberal faculty. In my experience, as long as you agree with them, they l8ke you. Otherwise really really hate you. It is practically impossible to reason with them. Just my own personal experience. Also, interestingly, the super liberal guys were the most vicious. I served a few years on the University petition committee. It was the highest level to decide to dismiss students, etc. The representative from the college of engineering (a hunter, big guy and everybody hated him for hunting) and I from the college of science saved untold numbers of assess. Now who is the liberal? 🙂

@zesty Engineers, IT people, Scientists in REAL fields, etc. all use logic. They are not knee-jerk "followers of fashion".
I postulate that if a study in humanities praising 'Tough Love' became fashionable, the present lot would mainly perform a U turn.
My career started out as a government chemist, then changed to elevators (I loved fault finding and designing control circuits) and ended up as a magazine publisher. All required analytical thinking.

@Petter I see. Interesting sequence of professions.

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