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If Christianity didn’t exist, nor would this site. Atheism would be a non-existent concept here (it seems to me that most atheistic ideas here are actually anti-Christian or anti-Islam). I don’t see many anti-Judaism or anti-Buddhist posts here.

Perhaps if neo-atheist activists were able to wipe Christianity and Islam from the planet the world would be perfect don’t you think?

Geoffrey51 8 Sep 2
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I, for one, do not single out just Christianity and Islam; I have no use for any religions. The way I see it religion is not the problem, it is the use of religion to subjugate, discriminate, and persecute that is the problem. If there were no religion assholes would simply find some other reason to justify their assholishness. Whether I am agnostic or atheist is still undecided, but I am not an anti-theist. Some of my family and friends who are "believers", though maybe naive, in my opinion, are not jerks about their religions; others are. It is not so much the religion, but how the followers follow that is the problem.

Totally agree. I think that point gets easily missed. Best to remain labelless as well. Who cares what religion or not that one identified with!

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I see it as evidence based thinking versus faith based thinking; logic versus anti-logic.

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For me, it was never such that I wish to wipe Christianity and Islam from the planet entirely. However, I would be up for wiping all fundamentalist religion from the planet entirely. I think you get my drift.

I do entirely. Religion of itself isn’t the problem but the need to make others see a particular way of thinking. It seems here very focussed on Christianity being the man in the black hat and ignoring all the legal and judicial views which damage society aside from religion.

@Geoffrey51
Right now Xtianity is going on an insane power trip in the U.S.
I think many people here feel utterly at a loss on how they can change that.
Religious leaders here should make a bad example of fundamentalists in their midst, butI don't think we see religious leaders doing much to protest other denominations which are seizing political power.
They don't seem to ostracize fundamentalists. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
The reality is that fundamentalist mentalities are trying to take control of the United States, and we see how dangerous it is that they have a grip on politics, and are about to go for the government's jugular.
Non-religious people are on high alert here, and are definitely alarmed, if not totally frightened.

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I think you should expect people to rebel against the religions they have escaped. Why does this trouble you @Geoffrey51 ?

Just throwing a line to see what discussions arise. It seems the emphasis is on how bad Christianity is rather than eclectic discussion

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"If-I-could-drive-everything-I-don't-like-from-the-planet" is not a recipe for a perfect world... unless maybe you're the only person in that world...which might become pretty lonely, and boring, and... imperfect.

skado Level 9 Sep 2, 2019

Nah I was being facetious. It seems to be a prevailing idea around here recently!

@Geoffrey51
I thought so. 🙂

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The world will never be perfect. We live in a universe of bounded chaos, and all organisms are imperfect.

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Not sure what you mean by ''neo-atheist activists"....but, if I could, I'd erase all religions from human cultures...that's ALL of them....and then, we'd be able to think about science, humanism and how we can actually live without the fear religion needs to instill in us!

Where would the fear come from then. Humans are emotionally immature beings and see shadows in most corners. Politics, AI, perhaps?

@Geoffrey51 "Where would the fear come from?" Our fairly sophisticated brains are able to ''see'' the future and fear death. The fear of death/the unknown is what enabled the creation of religion.

@LucyLoohoo I think you will find that religious thinking developed from a need to understand, not fear.

@Geoffrey51 Geoffrey...if you think about it....I think you'll find they're the same motivation.

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I'm anti Christian because that is the one that has affected me personally, and I have the most knowledge of. It is pervasive in my culture. I have more respect for eastern religions and traditional ones than the big three Abrahamic ones. It's very hard to criticize Islam and Judaism without slipping into bigotry and anti semitism so I usually don't.

MsAl Level 8 Sep 2, 2019
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No, the world would still contain just as many screwed up people as it does now. Maybe we'd have a better support/prevention/rehabilitation program(s) to mitigate the damadge they cause, but perfect? Never.

Xtianity dominates the culture most people here come from so thats the biggest target, with Islam coming in second because they try very hard to be total shitheads, with great success. You can hardly criticize judiesm without being called anti Semitic so why bother, as the root religion for both Islam and xtianity it's just known to be totally fucked up from association.

1of5 Level 8 Sep 2, 2019

So it’s not religion then, just the Abrahamic ones with the exception of Judaism?

@Geoffrey51 religion is a construct of people, and is used as an outlet for thier shittyness. Its people that are screwed up and eliminating religion won't change that. The only thing it might change is our perception of the nature of the problem and possible mitigation factors that a church based system won't allow us to try/see. Might being the key word.

Judiesm is totally fucked up, but since it's a race and a religion it's not as easy to criticize without someone shouting "racist", so it's easier to pick apart it's offshoot religions and expose it's silliness that way.

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