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Censoring "hate speech": "while everything these groups say may be unpleasant and ugly, not everything they say is false."

[unherd.com]

PBuck0145 7 Sep 17
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The definition is to flexible, for me personally hate speech only becomes censurable when it begins to deliberately incite violence and that includes when religions and so called Holy books do it too.

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Aaahhh, yaaaasss...but why, exactly do they need to say it?!

To express opposition to the continued tolerance of atrocities (rape gang activities, for instance).

@PBuck0145 not at all what i got from this post.....

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Pretty much the same everywhere, once you censor you disguise the real hate they propagate, soften the impact of who they are

bobwjr Level 10 Sep 17, 2019
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A rule I always try to support is that freedom of speech and thought are fundamentally important in any society ... once you try to quash that freedom for any group the 'view' goes underground and festers like a cancer .... We all tend to prefer not to see or hear the things we do not like or agree with and pretend everything is fine ... but that cancer is ever present, doing damage, but generally unseen by most.
I live about 20 miles from Rotherham. There have been court cases, internal and external reviews by police, social workers, government, virtually every official body has held up its hands to admit they looked the other way when young girls claimed to have been raped by gangs of men, predominantly muslims, because they did not want to risk being accused of racism. They were wrong to do so, and similar gangs are still being exposed in many cities across Britain.
We should never try to hide any point of view, any claim, no matter how much it offends or goes against the socially accepted view. Rather hold it up and expose it to examination and criticism. Let all know of it and let them form an opinion based on open knowledge. Only then will extreme ideologies, from all sides and groups, be stifled .... not by being forced underground, but by the truth or flaws in their ideas being exposed to everyone.

Naz Shah, Labour MP for Bradford West:
[metro.co.uk]

@PBuck0145 She has a record of controversial tweets, but is one of a handful of muslim mps, and represents a muslim area of Bradford, so keeps her parliamentary seat.
In february of this year 9 men were jailed for a similar grooming scandal in Bradford.. seat
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[independent.co.uk]

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The article seems to be from the UK. I’m not sure what the law is there regarding speech but I have read that “hate speech” is illegal in the UK. I believe that in the US any speech is legal as long as the person is not advocating illegal actions. If a person spreads lies that harm others he can be sued, but the speech itself is protected. Am I right here?

I think that if you are in disagreement with someone’s opinions you have every right to argue, but you have no right to stifle their right to speak.

Almost everyone has some valid points to make. It seems awfully arrogant to stereotype and demonize them because you think your opinions are the only correct ones.

There are good people on both sides—a true and wise statement IMO.

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